Judge by the Same Standards Who is the BETTER fighter Mayweather or Pacquiao??

[madsweeney]

this is fine, at least your being honest and saying the only reason you pick pacquiao is basically because of his style.

that is fine but fighters do not rank higher on all time list because of styles..
because if that was the case Mike tyson would be the greatest fighter of all time.

I think you miss the point, I think the poll question is comparing apples to oranges and leaves too much to personal opinion on what fighting style people prefer. Both are master's of their craft PBF the def/counter MP more of a hybrid in/out boxer.

Both are unbeaten in their current form (MP is leagues away from himself in Moralez I) and even if they fight, their styles will most likely determine the outcome.

[WhoreUs]

Floyd Mayweather is the absolute best fighter of the past 20 years, no one can touch his natural born skills.

Horus why did you have to come out of your cave?

Horus, Floyd might be greater, and better, but pacquiao is willing to fight the best out there, unlike Floyd that decides to fight a lightweight with no drawing power whatsoever, had to fake an injury because he sold no tickets.

Floyd is not an attraction, is like Dana White said...he just did big numbers because he was fighting poeple with a huge following.

But Floyd is the greatest fighter of this generation, that is simply not debatable.

roy jones has better natural born skills. floyd jr. is more technical and polished than roy though.

historians like stories. pacquiao for this generation will be remembered more fondly because of it.

pacquiao came out of nowhere and won a lineal title at flyweight.

he then got knocked out and later came back at 122.

he won his 122 belt as a short notice opponent and underdog to ledwaba.

he got one of his biggest wins as an underdog to an all time great barrera when he wasn't suppose to have a chance.

the controversy of the 1st marquez fight.

the exciting trilogy with morales when he moved up to 130.

the controvery of the 2nd marquez fight.

jumping 2 divisions to fight a superfight with delahoya.

winning his 4th lineal title at 140 against hatton.

win or lose against cotto , he was jumping another division to try to get a title in his 7th weight division.

historians like incredible stories like this. pacquiao will be remembered more fondly and historians will consider him the greater fighter.

[Horus]

I judge fighters on thier whole career not parts of it...
especially when I am comparing fighters

[madsweeney]

I judge fighters on thier whole career not parts of it...
especially when I am comparing fighters

So somebody who has a rough start (no matter how great they become) will never surpass someone who starts out good and only marginally improves?

A true fighter doesn't accept defeat, they come back to rise above their failures. That's the warrior spirit that people see in pac.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

I judge fighters on thier whole career not parts of it...
especially when I am comparing fighters

if that is true, then why did you only highlight PAC's losses and add extra emphasis on his earlier losses without adding mention to his accomplishments?

arent the wins as big a part as the losses when judging a career?

aren't you 'comparing' fighters in this thread?

[gingeralbino]

I judge fighters on thier whole career not parts of it...
especially when I am comparing fighters

are u taking into concideration that floyd did his learning in the amateurs and fought 90 times? to my knowledge manny did his learning the hard way (i may be wrong on this so feel free to correct me, i dont pretend to know everything). your bringing up stuff 10+ years ago man. Floyd lived breathed and slept boxing his whole life, manny fought at 16 to feed his family.
I agree Floyd is the better (or was before he quit, no-one, not even floyd, knows if he's still as good now), but if your gonna dudge soemone on their whole career what happens if Floyd doesnt have it anymore and loses his next 2 fights, and manny wins his, will u say manny is the better of the 2 (especially if he beats floyd), or will u say it doesnt count cos floyd wasnt prime anymore. it works both ways.

[Horus]

So somebody who has a rough start (no matter how great they become) will never surpass someone who starts out good and only marginally improves?

A true fighter doesn't accept defeat, they come back to rise above their failures. That's the warrior spirit that people see in pac.

So who started out good and marginally improve?
please named that fighter

Because Floyd Mayweather
reign on top of the sport from 2005- Jun 2008.
Floyd Mayweather has 3 lineal Championships without losing.
I dont not need to go on... because you know where how far i can go with this.

So who started out good and only marginally improve?
please named that fighter

[WhoreUs]

So somebody who has a rough start (no matter how great they become) will never surpass someone who starts out good and only marginally improves?

A true fighter doesn't accept defeat, they come back to rise above their failures. That's the warrior spirit that people see in pac.

calzaghe or hagler who is considered greater?

marciano or ali who is considered greater?

undefeated records don't mean anything. it's who you fought.

what horus doesn't understand is that 10-15 years from now all those derogatory articles about mayweather is still gonna be read and right or wrong it will still affect how people view floyd.

boxing writers now are the boxing historians years from now.

when history judges mayweather......all the negatives and criticisms about him will still be mentioned and still be a factor.

[Horus]

are u taking into concideration that floyd did his learning in the amateurs and fought 90 times? to my knowledge manny did his learning the hard way (i may be wrong on this so feel free to correct me, i dont pretend to know everything). your bringing up stuff 10 years ago man. Floyd lived breathed and slept boxing his whole life, manny fought at 16 to feed his family.
I agree Floyd is the better (or was before he quit, no-one, not even floyd, knows if he's still as good now), but if your gonna dudge soemone on their whole career what happens if Floyd doesnt have it anymore and loses his next 2 fights, and manny wins his, will u say manny is the better of the 2 (especially if he beats floyd), or will u say it doesnt count cos floyd wasnt prime anymore. it works both ways.

if floyd loses his next 2 fights... it will hurt him the same way it hurted Roy Jones... Fair or unfair those loses still count.

And you can not tell me the loses on roy jones career doesnt affect his legacy...

and the same thing will happen if floyd loses...
and the same thing is happening because the way Manny lost...

loses affect your legacy...that is just the way it is..
but wins also affect your legacy..so it balances out.

but until Floyd loses and has the career he has had so far...
he is the greatest fighter of this generation..

[WhoreUs]

the difference between pacquiao and mayweather?

pacquiao is going forward. mayweather is going backwards.

pacquiao has one big fight and goes on to another bigger fight later on.

floyd once he hit the top , tried to get the easiest fights possible to stay there.

just take a look at who they are fighting next.

pacquiao will probably fight miguel cotto. mayweather is fighting marquez.