Lennox Lewis and the KLITCHKO BROTHERS are top 3 heavyweights of all time

[dino]

Personally I'm not into Fantasy fights rubbish. I give both Lewis and Vitali a good chance of winning against the old time greats. As for Wladdy, sorry, I just don't see him lasting with any of the top old dogs, Marciano would murder Wladdy, all you have to do is watch some of Marciano fights, Wladdy never fought anyone like Marciano.

Ali was the fastest HW in history, and he isnt feather fisted, you can see that in his fights.

ali would murder valveu, to beat ali you need to have some speed, be in shape, and have head movement, valveu has none of those things





is that the same foster that ali KTFO in 7 rounds, lmfao!!



Valveu sucks,
most contenders would beat him,
but he doesnt fight any

fast just like ken norton who actually beat ali twice and broke his jaw huh?

[TredKiller]

fast just like ken norton who actually beat ali twice and broke his jaw huh?

he only won once,
and Ali fought almost the whole fight with a broken jaw.
Ali had massive heart, and norton was no joke either.
norton is better then most current HW's

[fdotorres]

dino looks like a talentless chris arreola

[dino]

he only won once,
and Ali fought almost the whole fight with a broken jaw.
Ali had massive heart, and norton was no joke either.
norton is better then most current HW's

this is what you a.ssholes fail to realize or not catching on too. when it comes to HEAVYWEIGHTS its not all about who's better, thats for welterweights. Heavyweight boxing is about power and strength and skill to a lesser degree.

EX: Floyd Paterson skill wise is better then prime Rid**** Bowe, but could he beat him? hell no

Archie Moore skillwise is better then David Tua, but could he beat him? hell no

Most of you lack common sense and go on cliches. most of you have no knowledge of the sweet science or even science for that matter!

Marciano has about as much of a chance at beating klitchko brothers then gatti would have at beat pavlik.

ALI couldn't get pass either klitchko brother jab nor lewis jab. Just because corey sanders beat wlad or lamon brewster doesn't mean ali can, he doesn't hit like neither fighter.

Joe Frazier was a punching bag and tailor made for ALI, had that been Ibeuchi or tua hitting ali like that for all those rounds ali would have never fought again

[StarshipTrooper]

this is what you a.ssholes fail to realize or not catching on too. when it comes to HEAVYWEIGHTS its not all about who's better, thats for welterweights. Heavyweight boxing is about power and strength and skill to a lesser degree.

EX: Floyd Paterson skill wise is better then prime Rid**** Bowe, but could he beat him? hell no

Archie Moore skillwise is better then David Tua, but could he beat him? hell no

Most of you lack common sense and go on clinches. most of you have no knowledge of the sweet science or even science for that matter!

Marciano has about as much of a chance at beating klitchko brothers then gatti would have at beat pavlik.

ALI couldn't get pass either klitchko brother jab nor lewis jab. Just because corey sanders beat wlad or lamon brewster doesn't mean ali can, he doesn't hit like neither fighter.

Joe Frazier was a punching bag and tailor made for ALI, had that been Ibeuchi or tua hitting ali like that for all those rounds ali would have never fought again

Where you dropped on your head as a child or were you born this ******ed?

Poet

[j]

i dunno if valuev is quick enough to handle ali.

but, personally, i dont buy into the "magic" era of boxing. and i do think guys like lewis and the k bros would handle the "legends" of the past. and some of them quite easily.

i dont think everyone would admit that cause people have heros and dont think they could ever lose.

i would agree that lewis, and the k bros would be nothing less than the hardest challenge for any heavyweight ever.

and when u think about it, u really cant get bigger, have more power, and be more athletic than these three fighters.

[knn]

Wasn't he trying to box rather than kick box at the Atlanta games?
Double standards re olympics you have quoted that Ali was a light heavy in the olympics numerous times which isn't really relevant to his professional career.

His performance at the Olympics is not relevant. And I don't care about Ali's KOratio at the Amateurs. But if someone says that "Ali has been a heavy his entire life" then I point out Olympics. Or when someone says that "Ali has won the gold medal at the Olympics just like Wladimir Klitschko" then I need to point out that Klitschko was 2 divisions higher. Other than that I don't care about Klitschko's win at Olympics either. I also don't point out Chagaev's win over Savon at the Amateurs. Or Vitali Klitschko being a kickboxing world champion.

Somebody being a steroids cheat is relevant though I think.
Who is to say that he hasn't got better at covering his tracks?
Also if one brother is on them it is not a huge stretch to beliebve the other is?

If Foreman was poisoned then it's not a huge stretch to believe all of Ali's opponents were drugged. Nonsense.

You again have made numerous quotes as to Holyfields supposed steroid abuse to which I believe is still unproved, Vitali's is and has been admitted to.

Not quite. Read the quote from his biography. Vitali didn't admit to have taken steroids to enhance his performance.

You seem a great believer in facts would these not qualify as facts?

So far you just posted speculations. It's as if I would base my record analysis of Ali's opponents purely on the Foreman-was-drugged theory.

However it's very good that you mention the steroid story and Vitali Klitschko. A full picture of all boxers is needed.

[knn]

he only won once,
and Ali fought almost the whole fight with a broken jaw.
Ali had massive heart, and norton was no joke either.
norton is better then most current HW's

Getting one's jaw broken is no virtue. Getting one's jaw NOT broken is the virtue. Don't convert Ali's lack of defense into something great.

[knn]

this is what you a.ssholes fail to realize or not catching on too. when it comes to HEAVYWEIGHTS its not all about who's better, thats for welterweights. Heavyweight boxing is about power and strength and skill to a lesser degree.

EX: Floyd Paterson skill wise is better then prime Rid**** Bowe, but could he beat him? hell no

Archie Moore skillwise is better then David Tua, but could he beat him? hell no

Most of you lack common sense and go on cliches. most of you have no knowledge of the sweet science or even science for that matter!

Marciano has about as much of a chance at beating klitchko brothers then gatti would have at beat pavlik.

ALI couldn't get pass either klitchko brother jab nor lewis jab. Just because corey sanders beat wlad or lamon brewster doesn't mean ali can, he doesn't hit like neither fighter.

Joe Frazier was a punching bag and tailor made for ALI, had that been Ibeuchi or tua hitting ali like that for all those rounds ali would have never fought again

Dino says it exactly how it is. Good post. Good thread.

[knn]

okay so the ***** that wouldn't give mike tyson time after he got out of jail to get ready

What?

and the ***** heavyweight champ that fights cruiserweights and got ktfo by some no name fighter are the greatest boxers of all time.

Are you talking about Foreman being floored by featherfist Jimmy Young (34-19, 11KOs)? All (but 6) of Foreman's opponents in the 60/70ies were cruisers, former cruisers or bums.

So Muhamid Ali who fought when there were actually a good heavyweight division

Ali was fighting in a bad heavyweight era:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...40#post5597040

and came out on top is worse than the tall heavyweight champ

Doesn't necessary come out worse in terms of "good record". But no matter how good your record could have been in the 13th century: You would have no chance against modern heavies.