Arum Speaks Openly on Victor Ortiz, HBO’s Golden Pact

[Gabilan]

Cotto in no way did the same thing as Ortiz. He took two knees to allow himself to recover and then his corner threw in the towel because they knew he had nothing left. Ortiz said that he didn't want to continue because he thought he was taking too bad of a beating. Cotto admitted that he was out on his feet and had nothing in his legs. He said he couldn't even stand and was trying to buy time to get out of the round. There is a big difference between a fighter trying to buy time and survive and a fighter walking over and telling a doctor no more.

Cosign...people that criticize Cotto's supposed "no mas" either didn't watch the fight, dont really comprahend boxing, or just enjoy snickering at Cotto.

[Dave Rado]

There's a great article on The Sweet Science, here, which points out why Ortiz's background contributed psychologically to what happened. Some extracts:

Yet when you consider the life young Ortiz has lived who could blame him? After it was over my wife, a compassionate and reasonable person, said, “Maybe he’s just tired of being beaten. Maybe he just decided he didn’t want to put up with it any more.’’

Maybe he didn’t and who could criticize him for feeling that way? The sad fact is Victor Ortiz has been beaten on since he was a little boy in Kansas. Beaten by his father, psychologically abused by his mother, abandoned by both of them by the time he was 12. Beaten down, as he has said, until he felt like a dog.

The two people who were supposed to protect him from the world left him adrift in it. A society that is supposed to look out for waifs in such sad circumstances took three years to figure out he was a living with his sister and brother alone in a trailer that had no electricity, scrambling to get by while trying to do the right thing in the ring and in high school. You try that and see how many more beatings you want to take if you think you don’t have to.

Long before Victor Ortiz ran into Marcos Maidana he’d been beaten up plenty. Just not yet in a boxing ring. That was always the one safe place for him.

He had been protected by a powerful promoter and managed by experienced men from California and New York who knew how to move a young man into the position he found himself in last Saturday night – into a fight he was really ill-prepared for - without having him really tested.

[ACHlLLES]

Cotto in no way did the same thing as Ortiz. He took two knees to allow himself to recover and then his corner threw in the towel because they knew he had nothing left. Ortiz said that he didn't want to continue because he thought he was taking too bad of a beating. Cotto admitted that he was out on his feet and had nothing in his legs. He said he couldn't even stand and was trying to buy time to get out of the round. There is a big difference between a fighter trying to buy time and survive and a fighter walking over and telling a doctor no more.

Damn right!

[ugly2000]

I wish Arum would shut his mouth. He is also part of the problem. For him to be ****ting on Diaz vs Mali is absurd. Does he think the **** he puts on pay per view is of great quality?

[-MAKAVELLI-]

There's a great article on The Sweet Science, here, which points out why Ortiz's background contributed psychologically to what happened. Some extracts:

Yet when you consider the life young Ortiz has lived who could blame him? After it was over my wife, a compassionate and reasonable person, said, “Maybe he’s just tired of being beaten. Maybe he just decided he didn’t want to put up with it any more.’’

Maybe he didn’t and who could criticize him for feeling that way? The sad fact is Victor Ortiz has been beaten on since he was a little boy in Kansas. Beaten by his father, psychologically abused by his mother, abandoned by both of them by the time he was 12. Beaten down, as he has said, until he felt like a dog.

The two people who were supposed to protect him from the world left him adrift in it. A society that is supposed to look out for waifs in such sad circumstances took three years to figure out he was a living with his sister and brother alone in a trailer that had no electricity, scrambling to get by while trying to do the right thing in the ring and in high school. You try that and see how many more beatings you want to take if you think you don’t have to.

Long before Victor Ortiz ran into Marcos Maidana he’d been beaten up plenty. Just not yet in a boxing ring. That was always the one safe place for him.

He had been protected by a powerful promoter and managed by experienced men from California and New York who knew how to move a young man into the position he found himself in last Saturday night – into a fight he was really ill-prepared for - without having him really tested.

that's a fresh take Dave...green K

[Iceta]

Arum has good fighters in his stable, and he has a legitimate gripe here. But how many garbage fights have we gotten from him on the network when HBO has let him have his way? Hell, we were lucky that we even got a Clottey-Cotto fight. Arum would've had Cotto fight Cintron if the network let him get away with it. I would like to watch Arum's stable of young and upcoming fighters on HBO. Just don't make me have to watch them beat up on stiffs. And Malinaggi-Diaz is not an HBO caliber fight. I hold Golden Boy Promotions to the same exact standards.

[theggamme209]

At least golden boy's fight were on hbo, not some bull**** ppv top rank put on! This was one of the worse ppv I have ever seen!

[spoonwars]

that's a fresh take Dave...green K

Here's another fresh take: Golden Boy fed Ortiz to the wolves. However, he was paid well unlike his previous beatings.

[johnle43]

arum has a point but as posted above, he has also put some BS fights together...and on PPV no less. anyways, GBP has some strategery to work on haha.

[Dave Rado]

arum has a point but as posted above, he has also put some BS fights together...

And he has stood in the way of a lot of great match-ups happening as well.