Abraham-Oral. Discussion and R-B-R.

[Guest]

It will be fun to see him in a loaded 168 division.

Don't underestimate 8 pounds. He can crack so he's going to be in the thick of things.

Should finally get some good opponents.

[Vivid Intent]

Pavlik has looked worse and worse every time he has moved up so of course Abraham would. That would be like Kelly fighting a weight drained Arthur at 160.

Aside from the KO overall he did better in the Taylor rematch and Taylor fought a smarter fight that night to boot. And against Hopkins, well, he was in against a top 3 MW of all-time.

At 160 he has the size and power advantages over most fighters, he doesn't have the power advantage over Abraham at any weight. Abraham is just the better quality fighter IMO.

[BattlingNelson]

Abraham says he fights at 60% as a middleweight.

I can't say whether he will actually be better at a higher weight or not. I never really rated Miranda. The top 168 lbers Kessler, Bute, Froch, Taylor, Andrade and others would be the toughest opponents Abraham has ever fought and I'm looking forward to what he can do against them.

The german announcers mentioned Kessler again. Looks like AA will go for him since he is the name the germans recognize. Kessler has ko'ed both Beyer and Haussler live on german national TV.

[Guest]

The german announcers mentioned Kessler again. Looks like AA will go for him since he is the name the germans recognize. Kessler has ko'ed both Beyer and Haussler live on german national TV.

That fight sounds great. So would Palle take him to court over the contract since AA is Sauerland and it may be something like tampering with another fighter or some such legalese.

Or is Palle-Kessler already in court?

[Dubious-Dutch]

Overall he did better in the Taylor rematch and Taylor fought a smarter fight that night to boot. And against Hopkins, well, he was in against a top 3 MW of all-time.

At 160 he has the size and power advantages over most fighters, he doesn't have the power advantage over Abraham at any weight. Abraham is just the better quality fighter IMO.

No, he didn't do better in the Taylor fight, the jab was less existent and his pop IMO was diminished. Taylor even tho more defensive minded still fought too little, but Pavlik couldn't press the action more as he was even slower of foot.

Abraham can only use that power in spurts and if the opponent continues to throw, like a Pavlik-it stops Arthur from getting off effectively. Abraham needs time to set up his shots and if you pressure him enough, similar to what Oral was doing he can't let his hands go and disperse that power.IMO

[BattlingNelson]

That fight sounds great. So would Palle take him to court over the contract since AA is Sauerland and it may be something like tampering with another fighter or some such legalese.

Or is Palle-Kessler already in court?

Long story.

Palle was set to stage the mandatory against Perdomo in september-october. Kessler declined saying that he didn't wasnt to wait that long.

Now the fight is likely to go to purseoffer which will further delay it.

Palle is pissed saying that Kess is obstructing his work.

I cannot see a happy ending to this mess at all. A court ruling is needed to clear the air.

[Dubious-Dutch]

Long story.

Palle was set to stage the mandatory against Perdomo in september-october. Kessler declined saying that he didn't wasnt to wait that long.

Now the fight is likely to go to purseoffer which will further delay it.

Palle is pissed saying that Kess is obstructing his work.

I cannot see a happy ending to this mess at all. A court ruling is needed to clear the air.

Does Palle have influence in a Danish court?

[Guest]

Does Palle have influence in a Danish court?

It's really the abilities of the lawyers and how tight the contract is and how the terms are construed by the court.

I would think Danish courts would be pretty fair in all of this.

Palle could've loaded the contract with conditions that can be thrown out if not written to the letter.

But a court case could even further delay Kessler's career.

[BattlingNelson]

It's really the abilities of the lawyers and how tight the contract is and how the terms are construed by the court.

I would think Danish courts would be pretty fair in all of this.

Palle could've loaded the contract with conditions that can be thrown out if not written to the letter.

But a court case could even further delay Kessler's career.

Yeah. Both parties are playing hardball. Maybe a 5 million euro offer from Sauerland can bring them together again.

Nothing like the smell of green to bury the differences.

[Vivid Intent]

No, he didn't do better in the Taylor fight, the jab was less existent and his pop IMO was diminished. Taylor even tho more defensive minded still fought too little, but Pavlik couldn't press the action more as he was even slower of foot.

The jab only decreased 2% in the rematch, I'm not sure if that's to do with the weight though. I agree he had a little less pop but it didn't effect him that much. The fact of the matter was Taylor fought a more cautious fight and didn't allow Pavlik to hit him clean as much. If the rematch was at 160 I think it would have still been the same fight.

Abraham can only use that power in spurts and if the opponent continues to throw, like a Pavlik-it stops Arthur from getting off effectively. Abraham needs time to set up his shots and if you pressure him enough, similar to what Oral was doing he can't let his hands go and disperse that power.IMO

I agree with some of this but at 168 he will be more active than he was tonight. He'll have to increase his workrate against Pavlik because he won't be easy to KO. I think he's going to stop him late though. Pavlik isn't hard to tag and loves to trade, AA won't have to look for him.