Pacquiao's best 1.25 mil Mayweather's best 2.4 million

[Kalion]

1.If you cant argue with that one, fine. At lease i proved to you that your 70 30 "theeory" is fraud.

2. First you said 6 months for more marketing leverage. Then you want to be specific. You want to argue between 2\3 months and 5 months. OK, then ill give it back to you. JMM/Mayweather fight was announced on May. They will fight on September. Are we equal now? What will be your excuse if it flops on the PPV? Recession? Talk about irony if you do that.

3. Im not the one who mentioned that JMM has got no large fan base, its you! go back to your original post.

4. As ive said, AT&T is a US based company. Why then Nike chooses Pac instead of Mayweather? Talk about Global mainstream right.

Mayweather is known in the US, same with Pac
Mayweather is known in Mexico same with Pac
Mayweather is known in Puerto Rico same with Pac
Pac is mainstream ASIA! How about Mayweather?

Were talking global mainstrean here buddy.

People wants to see mayweather lose? maybe. thats the general consensus. Why then people dont want to see Calzaghe lose? Or Calderon lose? That is brings coincidence? People want exciting fights. People dont buy Mayweather/JMM fight coz they anticipate it will be boring. rather see it on free tv. thats the fact.

1) I was mocking those who claim Pac deserves 70-30 split with Cotto based on ppv numbers.

2) Well have wait unitl the fight to see about this one? right?

3)I was saying that if you could agree that JMM does not have a large fan base then we should beable to agree that it could also be a factor in why sales were slow if that rumor is true. Which would means slow sales were not solely because of PBF's draw.

4)Has nike ever embraced a "Bad Boy"? Do you remeber floyd when he was a humble young fighter? Not many people do becasue he didnt recieve stardom until he began to run his mouth. I could imagaen floyd explaining to nike execs why he needs 80-20 deal to wear thier equipment lol. It proably went down that way.lol

And PAC is fromt he pacific why wouldnt he be famous in china?

Lastly, I bring up the fact about people wanting to see floyd lose becasue thats a dynamic he brings to the table that not many others bring. I think its safe to say a good chunk of people that watch PBF fights watch them hoping he will lose and support the other fighter just because of this desire.

[Eastp4p1]

1) I was mocking those who claim Pac deserves 70-30 split with Cotto based on ppv numbers.

2) Well have wait unitl the fight to see about this one? right?

3)I was saying that if you could agree that JMM does not have a large fan base then we should beable to agree that it could also be a factor in why sales were slow if that rumor is true. Which would means slow sales were not solely because of PBF's draw.

4)Has nike ever embraced a "Bad Boy"? Do you remeber floyd when he was a humble young fighter? Not many people do becasue he didnt recieve stardom until he began to run his mouth. I could imagaen floyd explaining to nike execs why he needs 80-20 deal to wear thier equipment lol. It proably went down that way.lol

And PAC is fromt he pacific why wouldnt he be famous in china?

Lastly, I bring up the fact about people wanting to see floyd lose becasue thats a dynamic he brings to the table that not many others bring. I think its safe to say a good chunk of people that watch PBF fights watch them hoping he will lose and support the other fighter just because of this desire.

1. Cotto is different. Leave it to Bob Arum. Hes got a better figure. My stake on Cotto/Pac is 60 40 given that the fight is in Vegas Pac being more mainstream than Cotto.

2. Of course we can wait. Why not. Mayweather just hope that He brings more than the number Pac/JMM 2 generated. Then we can talk again.

3.If I agree with you, the more it will validate our su****ion that the fight will be a flop. And you mean are we gonna argue that indeed it will be a flop coz JMM has no large fan base? I wont argue with you, ill agree with you if that is the case.

4. I dont know whats on the mind of the Nike executives. Thats their call. All i know is, if you want your product endorse by somebody, that somebody must be mainstream. Why is it that John Mcenroe endorses a lot of products on his prime? Talk about being a badboy?

Have you been to China? Ive been there.

Ask some chinese in regards to sports and they will answer you who they knew.

Yao Ming
Tiger woods
Kobe Bryant
Manny Pacquiao

It takes two to tango. People see fights because of the excitement it could possibly bring. DelaHoya is exciting, so is Hatton. You said JMM has got no large fan base yet it breaks the record in PPV buys in the lower weights. same with Pac/Morales trilogy. its all about exciting fights.

[DAN916]

Its simply the fact that people dont want to risk the chance of witnessing mayweathers first loss so they order his fights.

[Kalion]

1. Cotto is different. Leave it to Bob Arum. Hes got a better figure. My stake on Cotto/Pac is 60 40 given that the fight is in Vegas Pac being more mainstream than Cotto.

2. Of course we can wait. Why not. Mayweather just hope that He brings more than the number Pac/JMM 2 generated. Then we can talk again.

3.If I agree with you, the more it will validate our su****ion that the fight will be a flop. And you mean are we gonna argue that indeed it will be a flop coz JMM has no large fan base? I wont argue with you, ill agree with you if that is the case.

4. I dont know whats on the mind of the Nike executives. Thats their call. All i know is, if you want your product endorse by somebody, that somebody must be mainstream. Why is it that John Mcenroe endorses a lot of products on his prime? Talk about being a badboy?

Have you been to China? Ive been there.

Ask some chinese in regards to sports and they will answer you who they knew.

Yao Ming
Tiger woods
Kobe Bryant
Manny Pacquiao

It takes two to tango. People see fights because of the excitement it could possibly bring. DelaHoya is exciting, so is Hatton. You said JMM has got no large fan base yet it breaks the record in PPV buys in the lower weights. same with Pac/Morales trilogy. its all about exciting fights.

1) I dont really care what the split is for the Pac/cotto fight. My point was that if people want to use past PPV numbers to dictate what the split in this fight should be, please do the same for a bout between PAC/PBF. And sense neither of use will get a percentage we should both leave it to Bob Arum.

2)If he does and im pretty confident he will, what will you half to say then about PBF's draw?

3) Im not saying I think the fight will flop. Im saying if poor ticket sales were truely the reason for the postponement of the fight. Dont pin the balme solely on PBF. Take into account other factors such as JMM relatively small fan base.

4)Your right about nike endorsing a potty mouth player in relation to them endorsing PBF. But look closely at when they endorsed him. Nike was not the power house world wide juggernaut of the sports industry they are today.I dont think theyu were even world wide yet. They didnt have the ability to pick and choose who the endorsed then as much as they do today. Do you think they would have endorsed PAC in 1980? They didnt even endorse SRL ALI and they both were fighting when nike was eastablished. maybe theyre trying to appel to phillipines so they endrose Pac.?who knows?

Im not sure what a chinese native and super star, the most popular basket ball player and the best golf player in the world arguably, have to do with pac or PBF. They are all immensely more popular than pac and floyd.

Im sure and i would hope that pac would have a larger fan base among chinese fans due to the fact hes from the phillipines.Im sure there are other parts of the world that he has a larger fan base in aswell. But im sure PBF has a larger fan base in the UK than Paq. So thats a argument that really leaves us no where.


Ofcourse people watch fights for excitement. But not for that alone. There are plenty of fighters that fight excitingly yetthey are not superstars of the sport.It the ones with the personality and charisma that create boxing fans just like the ones who do so with knock out punches. And any records that JMM has i can garuntee PBF PPV accomplishments dwarf them.

[Kalion]

Its simply the fact that people dont want to risk the chance of witnessing mayweathers first loss so they order his fights.

Thank you. Most people would turn away from watching thier favorite team win to see the team they hate the most the lose and end thier undefeated streak.

Some people just cant seem to grasp that.

[Eastp4p1]

1) I dont really care what the split is for the Pac/cotto fight. My point was that if people want to use past PPV numbers to dictate what the split in this fight should be, please do the same for a bout between PAC/PBF. And sense neither of use will get a percentage we should both leave it to Bob Arum.

2)If he does and im pretty confident he will, what will you half to say then about PBF's draw?

3) Im not saying I think the fight will flop. Im saying if poor ticket sales were truely the reason for the postponement of the fight. Dont pin the balme solely on PBF. Take into account other factors such as JMM relatively small fan base.

4)Your right about nike endorsing a potty mouth player in relation to them endorsing PBF. But look closely at when they endorsed him. Nike was not the power house world wide juggernaut of the sports industry they are today.I dont think theyu were even world wide yet. They didnt have the ability to pick and choose who the endorsed then as much as they do today. Do you think they would have endorsed PAC in 1980? They didnt even endorse SRL ALI and they both were fighting when nike was eastablished. maybe theyre trying to appel to phillipines so they endrose Pac.?who knows?

Im not sure what a chinese native and super star, the most popular basket ball player and the best golf player in the world arguably, have to do with pac or PBF. They are all immensely more popular than pac and floyd.

Im sure and i would hope that pac would have a larger fan base among chinese fans due to the fact hes from the phillipines.Im sure there are other parts of the world that he has a larger fan base in aswell. But im sure PBF has a larger fan base in the UK than Paq. So thats a argument that really leaves us no where.


Ofcourse people watch fights for excitement. But not for that alone. There are plenty of fighters that fight excitingly yetthey are not superstars of the sport.It the ones with the personality and charisma that create boxing fans just like the ones who do so with knock out punches. And any records that JMM has i can garuntee PBF PPV accomplishments dwarf them.

1. Simple, as we are arguing now. Who is more mainstream?

2. As ive said, bring first the number and we can talk again. but i doubt it. As uve said, JMM has no large fan base so how do you think it could happen?

3. Its not solely but who you will blame more if you are the promoter?
-15M guaranteed-How will recover this investment? Mayweather should sell more. And Again, they wanted to coincide the fight on Mexican Independence day to bring JMM Mexican fans. Where are the fanbase of Mayweather then?

4.You must be kidding if you think Nike is not a powerhouse as a brand. Really, thinking Nike products are not worldwide, you must be joking a lot.

Look, you cant compare Ali and SRL era as to now. Times then, there were no cellphone, no internet. You cant go worldwide in advertising much as you want to. Its all about Management decision. Can Pac be a Nike endorser if this 1980? Maybe. Who knows. The possibility is always there. And please, dont bring the Philippines as a strong market for Nike because Philippines is a small market. we go back again to discussing global endorsements in here.

Im glad you realized Pac has more Asian appeal than Mayweather. And the UK market? Dont bet on that. Hatton Mayweather did 1.2M buys. Hatton Pac did around 1M on some reports. Its not an excuse, its a fact that it is on RECESSION.

I cant say that much about JMM. Ill tackle his figures if and when JMM Pac 3 happens again.

[tjadl6386]

Playing the recession card.

I'm not playing the recession card. That's simply how I saw it and that's basically what most of the world is facing right now.

[amir khan]

your never going to see any of the money....

[hemichromis]

pacquiao is widely recognised as the best p4p today so why would he accept a 70-30 fight.

if in america it should be 50-50.

doesn't matter anyway.
Pacquiao COULD beat mayweather SO
Mayweather WILL NOT fight him.

[wizard king]

some people are going to kill themselves when pac doest go past selling 600pv. the days of 1mil+ are long gone and dhl took that with him when he retired.