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  • FreshPrince
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    #31
    Originally posted by Kalion
    Youre really stuck on this TIME list.

    Listen, If i showed you a picture of the 100 people on that list how many could you name?

    Sister Mary Scullion
    Brady Gustafson
    Jeff Bezos
    Gordon Brown

    Do you know any of those people? Guess what, thier on the same list and ranked of ahead of Pac. So what does that tell you?
    Yes I do know these people. I follow the news and have some interest in the stories going on in the world I live in. I knew about 85-95 of the people before the list was finalized, now that the list came out I now know of all of them.

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    • aether
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      #32
      Originally posted by Kalion
      Youre really stuck on this TIME list.

      Listen, If i showed you a picture of the 100 people on that list how many could you name?

      Sister Mary Scullion
      Brady Gustafson
      Jeff Bezos
      Gordon Brown

      Do you know any of those people? Guess what, thier on the same list and ranked of ahead of Pac. So what does that tell you?
      you ****ing moron.... are there any other boxers there?

      it's something cause it means that pacquiao transcends the sport. it means he can be compared to other people in different fields... that's a big deal

      its a big deal when someone from another country is well known in the states, especially with the likes of pacquiao. he's known for what he does in the ring. not outside of it. so that makes him a better representative of the sport than Floyd.

      a boxer being named one of the most influential people in the world by one of the most respected magazine in the world is a big deal....

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      • Kalion
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        #33
        Originally posted by Eastp4p1
        Minimum? Mate, how many are potential PPV buyers of those millions who suddenly became jobless because of recession. Of course, we can just speculate since we dont have the numbers. But then, we can suspect there are percentages on that one, right? Anyway.

        Now, announcing the fight on whatever time frame the promoter wanted to is not an issue IMO. If you are mainstream, you can sell fight. How does it differ when Pac/Cotto is announced on July and fight on November? will it affect the PPV buys? I dont think so. As you said, JMM has got no large fan base, but Cotto and PAc has.

        Its boxing. People wants to see blood. Have you ever heard Tiger Woods walking out in a boxing match because its booring? Thats what Pac gives, excitement. Thats what sells. Talk with the fists, and not with the mouth.

        Mayweather was great until his lightweight years, he brings excitements. Now, he is into business, he talks a lot, he markets a lot, he picks a lot.

        Credit should be given where it is due.
        1) Cant argue about the recessions effect on ppv sales beacuse we dont have enough numbers to look at.

        2) June,July,Agust,September,October,November.

        Thats 5 months.

        May,June, July.

        Thats 3, which means Pac/Cotto will have more time to market and create hype than PBF/JMM. cant argue withthat one

        3) You mentioned Cottos and Pacs large fan bases.You also mentoned that JMM does not have a substansial fan base. Could we agree than JMM lack of a fan base and the short time to promote the fight both attributed to the poor ticket sales if it true? Has Pac or cotto ever been the sole attraction in a fight that sold well?

        4) Those are all things that people like to see. But PBF does also himself bring to the table some things that alot of boxers today cant.
        -His personality, no one come close to him in this department.If you notice in the AT&T commercail they used the most popular athlethes from several sports, Why didnt they call Paq or Cotto?
        -The bad boy role, thier are not many "bad boys" of boxing. This is something that has really made floyd who he is today. Almost like the guys in wresteling that are some of the most popular wrestelers but get booed everytime they enter the arena.
        -His 0, hes undefeated. That alone generates intrest. When will he lose? Who will it be to?

        I have no problem giving credit where credit is due, but i think you should take your own advice.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Kalion
          Cant argue about the recessions effect on ppv sales
          Can you really be this ******?

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          • Kalion
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            #35
            Freshprince please be serious. You dont know half those people because they dont even live in the us or harldy come here.

            And to aether.

            PBF is the only boxer ive ever seen on MTV,Bloomberg or CNN, and only the 2and to be on WWE. More people follow those channels and shows than people who read time let alone read the 100 most influential people list. Please be logical Magazine sales have been in the dump for several years now.

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            • Kalion
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              #36
              Originally posted by FreshPrince
              Can you really be this ******?
              Read the rest of it Dumb****. Niether you or I or anyone else in this forum a financial analyst with the factual numbers to compare sales and make an assesment.

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              • FreshPrince
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                #37
                Originally posted by Kalion
                Freshprince please be serious. You dont know half those people because they dont even live in the us or harldy come here.
                This is the 21st century. There are other ways of knowing about people than having them be your neighbor.

                PBF is the only boxer ive ever seen on MTV,Bloomberg or CNN, and only the 2and to be on WWE. More people follow those channels and shows than people who read time let alone read the 100 most influential people list. Please be logical Magazine sales have been in the dump for several years now.
                Pacquiao had a 30 minute segment just about him on CNN, and after the Hatton fight they followed him back to the Philippines and reported his homecoming.

                I rarely watch MTV and have seen other boxers. I rarely watch WWF, but I can name 3 boxers other than Mayweather to be on it. And Time has a webiste you idiot. Anybody can access that without having to buy the magazine. You probably have today to get your information.

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                • FreshPrince
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Kalion
                  Read the rest of it Dumb****. Niether you or I or anyone else in this forum a financial analyst with the factual numbers to compare sales and make an assesment.
                  You don't have to be a "financial analyst" to know this. It's common sense.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Kalion
                    1) Cant argue about the recessions effect on ppv sales beacuse we dont have enough numbers to look at.

                    2) June,July,Agust,September,October,November.

                    Thats 5 months.

                    May,June, July.

                    Thats 3, which means Pac/Cotto will have more time to market and create hype than PBF/JMM. cant argue withthat one

                    3) You mentioned Cottos and Pacs large fan bases.You also mentoned that JMM does not have a substansial fan base. Could we agree than JMM lack of a fan base and the short time to promote the fight both attributed to the poor ticket sales if it true? Has Pac or cotto ever been the sole attraction in a fight that sold well?

                    4) Those are all things that people like to see. But PBF does also himself bring to the table some things that alot of boxers today cant.
                    -His personality, no one come close to him in this department.If you notice in the AT&T commercail they used the most popular athlethes from several sports, Why didnt they call Paq or Cotto?
                    -The bad boy role, thier are not many "bad boys" of boxing. This is something that has really made floyd who he is today. Almost like the guys in wresteling that are some of the most popular wrestelers but get booed everytime they enter the arena.
                    -His 0, hes undefeated. That alone generates intrest. When will he lose? Who will it be to?

                    I have no problem giving credit where credit is due, but i think you should take your own advice.
                    1.If you cant argue with that one, fine. At lease i proved to you that your 70 30 "theeory" is fraud.

                    2. First you said 6 months for more marketing leverage. Then you want to be specific. You want to argue between 2\3 months and 5 months. OK, then ill give it back to you. JMM/Mayweather fight was announced on May. They will fight on September. Are we equal now? What will be your excuse if it flops on the PPV? Recession? Talk about irony if you do that.

                    3. Im not the one who mentioned that JMM has got no large fan base, its you! go back to your original post.

                    4. As ive said, AT&T is a US based company. Why then Nike chooses Pac instead of Mayweather? Talk about Global mainstream right.

                    Mayweather is known in the US, same with Pac
                    Mayweather is known in Mexico same with Pac
                    Mayweather is known in Puerto Rico same with Pac
                    Pac is mainstream ASIA! How about Mayweather?

                    Were talking global mainstrean here buddy.

                    People wants to see mayweather lose? maybe. thats the general consensus. Why then people dont want to see Calzaghe lose? Or Calderon lose? That is brings coincidence? People want exciting fights. People dont buy Mayweather/JMM fight coz they anticipate it will be boring. rather see it on free tv. thats the fact.

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                    • Kalion
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by FreshPrince
                      This is the 21st century. There are other ways of knowing about people than having them be your neighbor.



                      Pacquiao had a 30 minute segment just about him on CNN, and after the Hatton fight they followed him back to the Philippines and reported his homecoming.

                      I rarely watch MTV and have seen other boxers. I rarely watch WWF, but I can name 3 boxers other than Mayweather to be on it. And Time has a webiste you idiot. Anybody can access that without having to buy the magazine. You probably have today to get your information.
                      Youre missing the point, being on times 100 list has **** to do with PPV sales. We can sit here and **** measure Pac and PBF all day. But none of that gauges who can sel more PPVS. All we have is thier PPV history to go from.

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