Prime Kostya vs Cotto

[BennyST]

no, actually the key phrase was "made him look like a fool"

You mean the same way a shot Judah made Cotto look like a fool in the first round by nearly knocking him out with an uppercut, or the way he made Mayweather look slow and unskilled in the first four rounds, whom he also knocked down.

The difference is Tszyu made adjustments straight away and then knocked him out in the very next round. Cotto fought the worst version of Judah (who hadn't won a fight in his last three) of any of these guys and the same thing happened to him. He was made to look ******, slow and like he was going to be knocked out.

The difference is Cotto was actually hurt, whereas Tszyu just leaps back after getting tagged by the uppercut, which makes it look worse than it was. Very few punches even hit him, apart from the uppercut and a straight left.

[WhoreUs]

No, he was a lightweight for 20+ fights Kenty and the other titlist didn't want any so he moved up and got Cervantes. The announcers even say it in the Pryor-Cervantes fight.

I'm not debating your argument, even though not moving up in weight does take off some luster off a resume, I'm debating that point cuz you're wrong.

what is the big deal about moving up?

kostya didn't move up so he's ****?

some people don't move up. some do.

i don't understand why it should be held against a person.

who were the top guys at 147 when kostya was the king at 140?

judah , floyd , oscar , shane , forrest......

he beat zab.

floyd and oscar fought at 140 while kostya was there. he was past it by the time floyd came to 140 and do you think kostya would have turned down an oscar fight at 140?

shane skipped 140 altogether.

all the guys he could have moved up to 147 for , he could have fought at 140 but he didn't get a fight now did he.

and he whooped forrest in the ams. i'm sure he could have hung in there with vernon in the pros at 147 as well.

[skullduggery]

You mean the same way a shot Judah made Cotto look like a fool in the first round by nearly knocking him out with an uppercut, or the way he made Mayweather look slow and unskilled in the first four rounds, whom he also knocked down.

The difference is Tszyu made adjustments straight away and then knocked him out in the very next round. Cotto fought the worst version of Judah (who hadn't won a fight in his last three) of any of these guys and the same thing happened to him. He was made to look ******, slow and like he was going to be knocked out.

The difference is Cotto was actually hurt, whereas Tszyu just leaps back after getting tagged by the uppercut, which makes it look worse than it was. Very few punches even hit him, apart from the uppercut and a straight left.

that bull**** in bold made me not finish reading ur dumb ass post... first off, cotto recover within seconds from that uppercut, and second off, judah never made floyd look slow and for damn sure never made him look unskilled.... now that my friend, was some ****** **** to say

[BennyST]

No, he was a lightweight for 20+ fights Kenty and the other titlist didn't want any so he moved up and got Cervantes. The announcers even say it in the Pryor-Cervantes fight.

I'm not debating your argument, even though not moving up in weight does take off some luster off a resume, I'm debating that point cuz you're wrong.

No, that's wrong. He never once made the lightweight limit of 135 pounds. He fought lightweights, but he was never at or under 135 pounds. He was always just under 140, therefore he was actually a 140 pound fighter, but, because the weight rules in non title fights were not a strict back then he was allowed to come in around 140 against lightweight contenders.

He was never a lightweight. Ever.

[skullduggery]

No, that's wrong. He never once made the lightweight limit of 135 pounds. He fought lightweights, but he was never at or under 135 pounds. He was always just under 140, therefore he was actually a 140 pound fighter, but, because the weight rules in non title fights were not a strict back then he was allowed to come in around 140 against lightweight contenders.

He was never a lightweight. Ever.

yeah and cotto was almost knocked out in the first round by judah .....

[BennyST]

that bull**** in bold made me not finish reading ur dumb ass post... first off, cotto recover within seconds from that uppercut, and second off, judah never made floyd look slow and for damn sure never made him look unskilled.... now that my friend, was some ****** **** to say

Take it easy tough guy.

What I find ****** is someone that says Tszyu was made to look a fool, even though, like Cotto he was hit once and then recovered straight away, even after he absolutely blew the prime, undefeated version of Judah out of the water where no one else could.

He didn't make him look unskilled, but he certainly won the first four rounds and was the only guy to legitimately knock Floyd down. You know what, the version of Judah that Tszyu fought beats Cotto.

You write a ******, overly exaggerated post you get one in return.

[BennyST]

yeah and cotto was almost knocked out in the first round by judah .....

Yeah, and Tszyu was made to look a fool by a guy who got blasted out in two rounds and fell around the ring like a moron.

[skullduggery]

Take it easy tough guy.

What I find ****** is someone that says Tszyu was made to look a fool, even though, like Cotto he was hit once and then recovered straight away, even after he absolutely blew the prime, undefeated version of Judah out of the water where no one else could.

He didn't make him look unskilled, but he certainly won the first four rounds and was the only guy to legitimately knock Floyd down. You know what, the version of Judah that Tszyu fought beats Cotto.

You write a ******, overly exaggerated post you get one in return.

as i said, and as u and everyone else knows, judahs lack of discpline contributed to that loss more than anything against tszyu.... zab is ******ed, thats why he lost.... and floyd won round 3 i believe..... or was it 4? one of them at least..... judah was strong for the first 2, and faded from then on.....

and personally, i think judah had the physical tools necessary to beat anyone he has ever faced, but he lacks it in mentality, discipline and confidence.....

[Heru]

what is the big deal about moving up?

kostya didn't move up so he's ****?

some people don't move up. some do.

i don't understand why it should be held against a person.

who were the top guys at 147 when kostya was the king at 140?

judah , floyd , oscar , shane , forrest......

he beat zab.

floyd and oscar fought at 140 while kostya was there. he was past it by the time floyd came to 140 and do you think kostya would have turned down an oscar fight at 140?

shane skipped 140 altogether.

all the guys he could have moved up to 147 for , he could have fought at 140 but he didn't get a fight now did he.

and he whooped forrest in the ams. i'm sure he could have hung in there with vernon in the pros at 147 as well.

Moving up proves that a fighter can compete against the best despite weight or size advantages or disadvantages.

Don't take out your frustation with other poster on me, I never said Kostya was/is ****. It's not held against them, it just doesn't look as good when you're talking about the elite of all time and you have fighters that competed against and defeated solid-great fighters 10,20,30 pounds from where they began.

No, that's wrong. He never once made the lightweight limit of 135 pounds. He fought lightweights, but he was never at or under 135 pounds. He was always just under 140, therefore he was actually a 140 pound fighter, but, because the weight rules in non title fights were not a strict back then he was allowed to come in around 140 against lightweight contenders.

He was never a lightweight. Ever.

He was ranked as a lightweight. There are a bunch of fighters out there that fight a couple pounds over the weight limit they're going to contend at until an eliminator or title shot comes around. He was a lightweight.

[skullduggery]

Yeah, and Tszyu was made to look a fool by a guy who got blasted out in two rounds and fell around the ring like a moron.

one lucky punch+a ******ed fighter=judah's first loss