Calzaghe Fans!!

[mickey malone]

Don't flatter yourself. You or anyone else on here have never hurt my feeling and you never will.

Where does hate come from? It comes from being hurt by someone. It's obvious Calzaghe has hurt you somehow, this is why haven't been able to shut your trap about him for the last two ****ing years bro. Get over yourself.

What are you gonna do, keeping making the exact same post for the next two years?

Good answer...
He's not the only one... This forum has more than it's fair share of people who only know about a few fighters & so become Parrots..

Whose a nasty Joe, Whose a nasty Joe, Whose a nasty Joe, SQUAWK!!!

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Only person who needs to get over themselves is you. I know you maybe his little fan, but you might need to look up the word "Opinion".

He may be a decent guy up close, dont know, never met him. I'm simply talking about his Career.

Fact is, he never did what Hatton did, which was ditch Warren in his prime, and take on the best.

Which is why despite Hatton getting KTFO twice, has made much more money than Joe and boxing-wise, made more of an impact.

imo, Joe would have lost to a Prime Hopkins, Prime jones and a Prime Toney. But that would have made him alot more money, and alot more impact. Dang, look at Henry Cooper, he got waxed by any half-decent opponent he faced, but he still made more of an impact than Joe.

Instead he appears to most boxing fans as some sort of stooge for dodging the best until they were pensioners.

Which is why guys like Joe are bad for boxing.

Man, you're just proving my point!



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Facts are Facts.

Roy Jones was dangerously KTFO 5 years prior to their bout. TWICE.

He should have retired long long ago.

but if a shadow of the shadow of his former self can knockdown Joe in the first round.

IMO, Prime v Prime, only difference would be Joe would stay down.

As with Prime Hopkins, he would probably keep Joe down in the 1st aswell.

Joe was never in the same class as Prime Hopkins/RJJ.

roflmao

You got to give it, Calzaghe fans are something else

BHOP's 1 win over Trinidad > Calzaghe's Entire career
RJJ's 1 win over Toney > Calzaghe's Entire career

No matter how much you try and say otherwise, you're not going to kid anyone with something called "Common Sense".

Is it true that Calzaghe is trying to get the best LH ever Michael Spinks out of retirement?

The Pensioner-killer sorry, Lenged-killer is not finished yet.

wow, i dont know about this guys, Calzaghe is out of his prime, his hands are weak, and he is facing a LH Legend who is arguably in his prime, but i think Joe can adapt

[/Cal fan]

Calzaghe struggled against a Robin Reid lol.
Prime RJJ and Prime Hopkins would school Joe senseless.

Mayweather has beaten more p4p opposition than Joe, don't know about heart.

The only one that comes to mind is Joe's Dodgy SD steal against old man Hopkins. Who, judging from the bout, would have waxed joe in his prime.

dude it's not the point.

He had the chance to face him years before but he chose to face D-Grade opposition and mandatories, and had the nerve to say Hopkins and RJJ were facing him when they could not be bothered with picking up no money and coming all the way to a half empty stadium in Wales, not to mention just for a pathetic WBO belt.

Face it, Joe only became a Marqee boxers once RJJ and Hopkins went south.

Lame.

No he won't be missed, and Done so much?

Dude you been hiding under a rock or something?

Defeated lacy? lol?
Kesser is his best win.

Hopkins and RJJ were old men.
Get a clue

wtf? who?

Viet? Woodhall?

MCINTYRE?

Are you actually serious?

Funny you should say that.

He had the opportunity to move to the states and face the best Prime v Prime then. Funny how he made little to no effort then in negotiating, but once Old man Hopkins and Roy "3 losses in a row" Jones were going to retire, he flew over ASAP.


he chose to wait till 2007 to face his first decent opposition: Kessler.

Don't make excuses for him mate, he wasted his talent. Accept it.

His most was against RJJ i think, which was around $3m?

Which was probably cut down to a fraction of that.

Not to mention i dont think he has received alot of cash due to Frank Warren not paying him.
Hilarious, Warren got him an engineered career of padding his record and facing passed it boxers. Joe should have known how dodgy Warren was

rofl.

Stay retired fraud

Exactly, Naz became undispited straight away. Dang he retired long before Joe even had a proper bout.

Hatton lost when against the best, but atleast he went Prime v Prime.

I know it's all down to money end of the day, but atleast Hatton ain't talking rubbish about Being the best when he has not even faced anyone half-decent in their Prime.

Where as Joe, COULD HAVE, and SHOULD HAVE faced a PRIME HOPKINS, RJJ, TARVER, JOHNSON etc. etc.

Even one of them, even if he lost, he could have made himself alot more paydays.

Instead he stuck the calibre of Lacy to go Prime v Prime

His work-rate is a bit of an Oxy-Moron.
That said, i'd say: -

One CLEAN hit > Five Pitty Pats

Er...

How is this even close?

Marquez..

Joe's best "wins" were against a 43 year old, whom he should have faced years before, but "wanted to face him in Wales" and the other a 40 Year old RJJ, who was dangerously KO'd about 5 years prior..TWICE!!

Dude, Calzaghe was exposed when he showed his limitations against a 43 year old Hopkins. Taking a Dodgy SD ?

Only obvious thing from their bout was a Prime Hopkins would have made Joe look like a fool, and wish he stated in the UK, like he did all his career.

p4p, Hopkins, Hagler and Hearns all better than Joe imo

Tunney, you have not addressed Dawson's age yet.

He is 26.

He faced Kessler at the age of 36. He should have been facing RJJ and Hopkins and toney in their Primes, maybe even Tarver. He didn't.

Dawson still has time

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Why do you keep repeating idiotic statements that have been refuted over and over again? Toney was a Cruiserweight when Calzaghe won his first title, FFS. How many times do people have to point that out to you before it sinks into your thick skull?

And as you are well aware Calzaghe wasn't on Hopkins' radar until 2002, when a contract was drawn up for a fight between them, but then Hopkins pulled out at the last moment over money. There was nothing more he could have realistically done to get a fight with Hopkins back then.

And he was never on Jones' radar at all, he just wasn't a big enough name until after he'd beaten Lacy to tempt Jones, given that they were in separate weight divisions; although an offer was made in 2001, but the fact that Calzaghe was tied to Showtime and Jones was tied to HBO stymied it.

You may as well blame Mike McCallum for never fighting Ray Leonard or Hagler or Hearns.

It is possible to make a case that he could and maybe should have done more to try to make a fight with Jones, and that he was only half-hearted in his attempts to make that fight; but to pretend that only had to click his fingers and the fight would have been made just shows you up as a completely irrational hater. And to pretend that he didn't seriously try to make a fight with Hopkins in 2002 and 2003 shows that you have absolutely no respect for facts or for the truth. And to even mention Toney's name in this context, over and over again, when you know full well that there was a 30lb weight difference between them at that time, is beyond ridiculous.

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That's just from a couple of pages of you talking about Calzaghe THIS MONTH. There are like 177 of them.



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Yeah and?

I thought this was a Boxing forum. Last i checked it was a place to talk about boxers?

It's guys like you that allow boxers to get away beating up bums and pensioners.

Why don't you admit Joe should have made more of an effort to go against the best ?

Atleast what i'm saying is legit, unlike other guys who hate on a boxer guy for no reason.

If you can't see the reason why people criticize the holes in Joe's career, your blinded by your nuthuggery

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nope, maybe b-hop. but roy, not a chance

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Yeah and?

I thought this was a Boxing forum. Last i checked it was a place to talk about boxers?

It's guys like you that allow boxers to get away beating up bums and pensioners.

Why don't you admit Joe should have made more of an effort to go against the best ?

Atleast what i'm saying is legit, unlike other guys who hate on a boxer guy for no reason.

If you can't see the reason why people criticize the holes in Joe's career, your blinded by your nuthuggery

They don't criticize the holes in his career, they criticize his entire career. No credit for anything. Go ahead -- say something positive about Joe Calzaghe and stop concentrating on the "holes". <--- LOL. Gay.


"Why don't you admit Joe should have made more of an effort to go against the best ?"

Why don't you admit he wasn't given the chances because he wasn't a big name worldwide until 2006, therefore high-risk/low reward?


"It's guys like you that allow boxers to get away beating up bums and pensioners."

Pensioners? He fought two guys who were older than they ideally should have been when he finally got to fight them. They didn't want to fight him earlier, despite him calling out Jones 9 years ago and Hopkins backing out of the fight in 2002. Joe was 36 himself. Jones was 39. Hopkins was 42, a freak of nature (supposedly with the body of a 28 year old), a top 3 P4P fighter, and RING Light Heavyweight champion. Say what you want about his age, but Hopkins is still kicking ass and is able to compete with anyone in and around his weight class. Heck, he was talking about moving up and fighting the undisputed Cruiserweight champ recently. What more do you possibly want?

So, tell us, who are the other pensioners he fought? Were you expecting him to fight more young up-and-comers when he was a way-past-prime 36 year-old himself? Should he be fighting Dawson, the "next big thing" who's 10 years younger? And if he did, would you give Dawson **** for fighting another old-timer? I doubt it. What if Joe beat Dawson, would you say Dawson was never any good, just like you did with Lacy?

You keep asking questions, but you already know the answers. Stop pretending to be ******.

Oh, and check your PM's.



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Well firstly, not all of us have the time to make 90 posts a minute like some members... So we have not got the time to type out full reviews and biogrophies of boxers.

Aight here is my take on Joe.

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Joe is Talented, despite awkward style, if it works for him, it works.
Okay...

> After beating a passed it Eubank and getting his first belt, there was not much else to do. He got the WBO, and the division was nothing big. He should have unified it straight away within a few years.

> Instead he went after nobodies and mandatories with the same WBO belt in the same poor division, facing guys in half-empty stadiums. I don't know why, since he could have easily unified it straight away. The champs were absoloute jokes, i mean Ottke was one of them!

> He wanted RJJ and Hopkins, but they were marquee fighters, and no way were they going to change weight, come to Wales, and face someone for the one WBO belt, too little reward. They were after big money bouts. This is where he should have Fired Warren, like Hatton did.



> His next big bout came 9 years later against Lacy. Over-Rated or Under-Rated, it was still big for Joe, and he won convincingly. This was the moment he could have established himself properly.

> He should have gone straight to the marquee fighters and tried proper to get Hopkins and RJJ. In 2006, they were both passed it, but at the time, would have been intresting. Hopkins went onto to move up two weight classes beating LH champ Tarver and Winky, RJJ some medicore guys.
Calzaghe tried going for Johnson but pulled out

> Instead, he carried on the same awful division. Okay Lacy was hardly a recognized p4p boxer who made any impact, but it was a stepping stone for Joe. Instead, he went back to facing Mandatories.

> Had the chance for some semi-big bouts against Johnson, but pulled out twice or thrice citing Injury. (Warren explain what really happened after he was fired)

> Finally, after 10 years, a whole decade, he unified the SMW division after beating Kessler. Although a poor division, a Unified champion is a unified champion, and he finally made his chance for big payday bouts.

> Too little, too late it seems. Hopkins at 40+ was no longer the marquee fighter he was post 2001.
RJJ was an absolute joke that should have retired after being dangerously KO'd twice by Tarver and Johnson years before.

> He decided on facing Hopkins, taking a dodgy SD against the 43 year old, then a shot to bits RJJ at 40.

What could have been. He could have faced Hopkins, RJJ, Toney, Tarver etc.

Okay he may have lost some, but at least it was no nonsense involved. No engineered career.

You yourself have to admit, he had opportunities on the table, but he never took them.

[The_Demon]

roy jones no

hopkins-id say yes if chose to pick a winner

[lettdragon]

Do yall really think he would've beaten Roy and Bernard in their primes @ 168?

hell yes.