Tommy Hearns vs Paul Williams at 147

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  • shadeyfizzle
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    #41
    Originally posted by bodyshot
    We wrote the same thing at the same time. That would definitely be Hearns' plan.
    ya...except Williams has a longer reach than Hearns so he wouldnt necessarily try to get inside. He'd actually be more effective on the outside. As far as I know Hearns had never fought anyone in his career that actually had a reach advantage over him which could make things interesting. But williams doesnt always use his size effectively and tends to smother himself sometimes.

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    • Khalid X
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      #42
      Man I dont see hearns landing one of those vicious right hands on williams often. I hate when people bring that up. Look at the way hearnes lands his right hand. I have never seen a paul williams opponent land a huge lunging punch on him. Add that and the fact paul smothers his opponents and is head and shoulders a better inside fight than hearns and I really dont see this as much of a contest.

      also Paul punches his way inside and a lot of hearns huge rights are predicated on catching an opponent. How can you catch an opponent flush when he is always throwing.

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        #43
        Originally posted by Silencers
        I'm surprised people actually think Williams would knock Hearns out.
        I'm not.

        This is NSB, remember?

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        • Silencers
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          #44
          Originally posted by The_Bringer
          I'm not.

          This is NSB, remember?
          Oh yeah....forgot where I was when I typed that.

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            #45
            pwill would beat that dude to a pulp...... i just dont see how hearns would be able to deal with someone with his size, and much superior stamina, and a better chin.....

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              #46
              Hearns by KO early probably within four. williams wouldn't knock him out. hearns is only vulnerable on the inside but i see this as an outside fight.

              hearns has fought bigger people and hearns has fought faster people and thosewith a higher workrate.

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                #47
                Originally posted by hemichromis
                Hearns by KO early probably within four. williams wouldn't knock him out. hearns is only vulnerable on the inside but i see this as an outside fight.

                hearns has fought bigger people and hearns has fought faster people and thosewith a higher workrate.
                man hearnes hasnt face anyone with the work rate of paul, plus what you said proves my point...hearns being vulnerable on the inside because thats how the fight would be fought.

                a few things on paul:
                1 I have never seen him hurt badly in a fight and he has a great chin. If hearns did catch him then I would agree he would be in trouble but pauls style wouldnt allow it.

                reason he would allow it is because if you look at the way hearnes caught people, there were in stationary positions and at certain ranges. Also he was always the guy with the longer reach so most had to work there way in with head movement thus leading them to get caught.

                Paul has the reach advantage and can use his reach to punch his way in from a distance and keep it and inside fight for a couple of rounds which would fustrate hearnes. I see tommie then trying to brawl and getting outboxed. Paul is one of the best at smothering people and closed the gap on fighers. This is a nightmare matchup for hearns in my book.

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                  #48
                  For all of the people loudly proclaiming Paul's great chin, answer me this ;

                  Who the hell has he fought that tested it?

                  Andy Kolle?

                  Verno Phillips?

                  Antonio Margarito? (Not a power puncher, just a volume puncher.)

                  Carlos Quintana?

                  Sharmba Mitchell?

                  Winky Wright?

                  Paul has never faced a guy with a serious punch.

                  So you can't talk about how amazing his chin is.

                  For fuck's sake ; I could look like Marvin Hagler in the ring if you put me in there against the likes of Paulie Malignaggi.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by The 5* General
                    I didnt say power..I said strength.

                    And say what you want but styles makes fights.............its not cliche its facts.

                    Tommy would be overwhelmed and his right hand would get smothered...Williams knocks him out.

                    And for your examples..the Brawler that is Mayorga holds TWO wins over Forrest the slick boxer.

                    Margarito absolutely owned Cotto.

                    Cotto absolutely owned Malinagii.

                    I dont get what your saying?
                    Williams was getting tagged a lot by Margarito. If Marg, who is very slow, loops his punches and is not particularly skilled, then Hearns hits him nearly at will. Hearns' supposed shaky chin is so overrated. He was hit by big punches and for the very large majority of his career took them well. He was only knocked out by guys with big one punch power, and Barkley was a guy with seriously heavy hands and he also much better skilled than people give him credit for. Three weight world champion from MW to LHW and beat some amazing opposition.

                    Hearns doesn't need to worry too much about Williams punch output because he would be able to hurt Williams early on and would also **** his body a lot early on. Williams leaves his body open and has a very long torso making it easier to hit and Hearns had some of the hardest body punching ever.

                    Not only that, but Williams could not win a boxing match. He is not nearly as quick or skilled and his only option would really be to try and knock him out which just wouldn't happen. At 147 Hearns went twelve rounds with a KO in the twelfth with no problem and also went twelve a number of times against pressure fighters with good stamina at 154. He outboxed them easily without tiring in the slightest because he was able to catch them on the way in with his jab.

                    See, Hearns would catch Williams with his jab all night, which would make Williams hesitate and be overly cautious. If he didn't get KO'd in the first four/six rounds he would certainly feel the power and probably be hurt a number of times, slowing him down and making him throw less as he would get countered. Hearns simply has too much for Williams. Too good, too skilled, too powerful, too fast.

                    The Cotto/Marg/Malignaggi examples are terrible too. Paulie couldn't hurt a fly, Cotto has bad defense and is much smaller, nor does he have the speed or power of Hearns. Marg very nearly beat Williams and was able to hit him a lot. The only reason he did lose is because Marg started so slow. Hearns would win all the early rounds with his speed and power and if he didn't KO him he would then proceed to outbox him winning a twelve round decision with relative ease.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by BennyST
                      Williams was getting tagged a lot by Margarito. If Marg, who is very slow, loops his punches and is not particularly skilled, then Hearns hits him nearly at will. Hearns' supposed shaky chin is so overrated. He was hit by big punches and for the very large majority of his career took them well. He was only knocked out by guys with big one punch power, and Barkley was a guy with seriously heavy hands and he also much better skilled than people give him credit for. Three weight world champion from MW to LHW and beat some amazing opposition.

                      Hearns doesn't need to worry too much about Williams punch output because he would be able to hurt Williams early on and would also **** his body a lot early on. Williams leaves his body open and has a very long torso making it easier to hit and Hearns had some of the hardest body punching ever.

                      Not only that, but Williams could not win a boxing match. He is not nearly as quick or skilled and his only option would really be to try and knock him out which just wouldn't happen. At 147 Hearns went twelve rounds with a KO in the twelfth with no problem and also went twelve a number of times against pressure fighters with good stamina at 154. He outboxed them easily without tiring in the slightest because he was able to catch them on the way in with his jab.

                      See, Hearns would catch Williams with his jab all night, which would make Williams hesitate and be overly cautious. If he didn't get KO'd in the first four/six rounds he would certainly feel the power and probably be hurt a number of times, slowing him down and making him throw less as he would get countered. Hearns simply has too much for Williams. Too good, too skilled, too powerful, too fast.

                      The Cotto/Marg/Malignaggi examples are terrible too. Paulie couldn't hurt a fly, Cotto has bad defense and is much smaller, nor does he have the speed or power of Hearns. Marg very nearly beat Williams and was able to hit him a lot. The only reason he did lose is because Marg started so slow. Hearns would win all the early rounds with his speed and power and if he didn't KO him he would then proceed to outbox him winning a twelve round decision with relative ease.
                      Great points.

                      Side note ; Did you know Tommy still has his punching power?

                      He fought his last fight in 2006, and won by TKO.

                      I had no idea he had laced them up so recently.

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