I say this in the most respectfull way possible:Cotto stans (not fans) have NO heart.

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  • F-22 Raptor
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    #31
    Originally posted by street bully
    In all my years I have never seen people who label themselves as being fans nag and complain so much over a mere two pounds. Cotto is supposed to be a warrior looking for the biggest and baddest challenges, and he has taken them in mrgarito and clottey, however everyone here knows that one year ago people would have been calling Cotto names and questioning his heart if he were to pursue a Pacquiao fight at 140 let alone 145. What you guys are forgetting is that Pacquiao is a blown up featherweight that had to eat two breakfasts on weigh in day just so that he could weigh in over 135, where most fighters starve themselves to make weight. Thus it can be seen that Pacquiao really isn't even a ljr WW, and currently is more of a lightweight. On the other hand Cotto comes into his fights as a middleweight, and now probably comes in at well over 160 since the last time he allowed himself to be unofficially weighed in he was a whopping 158lbs, and that was when he looked much smalle rin the ring at 140. Manny on the other hand has been coming in at the same weight of 147 for years now, which shows you that Manny is the same size in the ring now he has been since he was at 126lbs.

    What you have to realize is that fights at catchweights have been happining as long as boxing has been around. Recently you may have noticed that bernard Hopkins who was the undisputed MW champion of the worl, who held all the titles at MW including the Sugar ray Robinson trophy was forced to come down to 156lbs just two pounds over jr MW against De La Hoya, and guess what the fighter that was supposed to be drained showed no damage at all and won showing that he was the better man regarless of having to sweat off the weight. Hopkins also came in at 156 against trinidad in a fight he was supposed to be decapitated in, and he once again showed that weight didn't matter after he beat down Trinidad. Recently Roy Jones junior also came down all the way to 168.5 lbs, his lowest weight in years, in a fight many considered to be a 50-50 affair, and did he lose? No he showed he was the better figher. Another example would be Hopkins vs Pavlik. Kelly Pavlik who fought at 166 just one fight prior forced the fight to be at a 170 lb catchweight in hopes of sapping a 43 year old man of energy. Did it help? No it didn't the better fighter won yet again.

    All these points go to show you that even when a catchweight is administered in hopes of making a fight that would normally be a mismatch more even it does not make the outcome a forgone conclusion, and 9 times out of ten the better fighter comes out at top. Saying this I have one last question to the Cotto stans, not the mild fans but the stans. Are you really afraid of two pounds, or do you guys think Cotto isn't good enough to beat a blown up featherweight that he will outweigh in the ring by almost 15 plus lbs come fight nigh? If you guys do not have confidence in your man to beat a blown up featherweight, where JMM was the much smaller man and fight on even (or even better) terms with a Pacquiao who was the bigger man, then I do not know what to say. So what is it, are you guys not confident in Cotto (do you think he isn't good), or do you think the 15 plus lbs of weight advantage he will have are not enough, and he needs even more to beat a man who will be coming in at fight night weighing the same unofficially he did against Morales four years ago. you make up your minds. I repeat this is a message to Cotto's stans and not his sensible fans. Thank you.
    I agree with this 110%. Cotto himself said that he could grind down to 144 with no problem, he's still going to outweigh Pacquiao by at least 17 pounds on fight night. This is a reason I believe Cotto is going to batter down Pacquiao and make it look unfair, because he just will have a huge advantage. Now, street bully, if pacquiao wants LESS than 144, that is handicapping and you got to admit that, these guys do a lot to cut down weight and if you cut TOO much you affect performace ( meaning 142/143), but Cotto is still the better man IMO. Good post man!

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    • street bully
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      #32
      Originally posted by F-22 Raptor
      I agree with this 110%. Cotto himself said that he could grind down to 144 with no problem, he's still going to outweigh Pacquiao by at least 17 pounds on fight night. This is a reason I believe Cotto is going to batter down Pacquiao and make it look unfair, because he just will have a huge advantage. Now, street bully, if pacquiao wants LESS than 144, that is handicapping and you got to admit that, these guys do a lot to cut down weight and if you cut TOO much you affect performace ( meaning 142/143), but Cotto is still the better man IMO. Good post man!
      The fight will be at 144 or 145, Cotto himself said it would not be a problem.

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      • baCCaT
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        #33
        how does one know if one is a stan or a fan?

        im a big pac and cotto fan tho' im no rican amd im pinoy..

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          #34
          Originally posted by street bully
          The fight will be at 144 or 145, Cotto himself said it would not be a problem.
          that's why no cotto fan should be bitching about him dropping to 144. but i dont believe the welterweight title should be at stake if miguel is not allowed to be at 147.

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          • gusto910
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            #35
            Plain and simple. Pac fought and beat delahoya at 147. If he wants to be the man, fight cotto at 147.

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            • Primal Instinx
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              #36
              All this bickering back and forth about who is the bigger draw or what weight they will fight ...**** if we can't agree how the hell is Manny and Cotto camps going to agree? I'm not gonna get excited about this fight until it's sign sealed and delivered on fight night. Until then it's a boxing fan's wet dream hoping to cum true...lol

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              • gopi11
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                #37
                Originally posted by The_Executioner
                Question aint directed at me but...

                I wouldn't call Pac a blown up featherweight. I think he's a natural 135 pounder now...

                And I would give him credit if he beat Cotto at 145 or 147. But if its at 145 I wouldn't consider him a champion at 147 really...

                And Pac looks bad in the fact that he was willing to go to 147 to fight Oscar but against a real fighter he won't...


                Did you say before Oscar by 1st degree Murder?

                Circumstances between Oscar and Cotto are worlds apart. Pacquiao just fought once at 135, and you want him to move up another 19 pounds just to fight Oscar at 154? That fight was already labeled as a circus, imagine what people will say if the fight was made at 154? They fought at a "meet" weight, which was at 147, Pacman went 2 divisions up, while Oscar went 1 division down.

                Now tell me, what's your beef with Pacman fighting Oscar at 147?

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                • MatchMaker215
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by bakatngbanig
                  how does one know if one is a stan or a fan?

                  im a big pac and cotto fan tho' im no rican amd im pinoy..

                  I think most Cotto fans are Pac fans,and vice versa

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                  • Doctor_Tenma
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                    #39
                    Street Bully, I disagree. Pacquiao should man up and face Cotto at 147. Why wouldn't he want to recieve full credit for the win?

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                    • MANGLER
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                      #40
                      The DLH fight fooled a lotta cats into thinkin Pac is really a WW, which he ain't. It also showed how disastrous it can be for a bigger guy to drop down in weight. I think at 147 Cotto got this easily. If he agrees to a catchweight that's on him. No way to know whether he'll be strong or not til the fight happens. But the thought of him comin in weakened and gettin massacred by Pac bothers some cats who support him. I been sayin all along they should worry about guys in their own divisions, but looks like the fight is goin down, so we'll just have to wait n see.

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