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  • #11
    Originally posted by Pullcounter View Post
    cotto should not sign the contract to fight pac if he doesn't think he can fight effectively under 147lbs.

    If he signs the fight for a catchweight, he has no excuse.

    That is all.
    true that.both are grown men....there should'nt be any excuses after the fight......
    Last edited by baracuda; 06-19-2009, 12:05 PM.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by mangler View Post
      Pac ain't big enuf for 147. Fight shouldn't happen at all.
      For once I'm gonna disagree with you, mang.

      You could have said Robinson was too small for light heavyweight seeing as he weighed in for the Maxim fight at only 157.5, but he was well ahead on all cards and would have become a light heavy champ if the temperature hadn't been 105 degrees and caused him to collapse from heat exhaustion.

      Anyways, I agree with Pully. Once your signature is on the contract, you're saying "I am fit to fight at ______ weight". No excuses. If you're not able to fight effectively after dropping 2 or 3 pounds, that's your problem. Your opponent should not be criticized for it.

      I usually would agree that WW's need to fight WW's, and I understand that there are weight divisions for a reason. However, talent often transcends weight, as it did for Robinson.



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      Last edited by S A M U R A I; 06-19-2009, 12:00 PM.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by 5punchcombo View Post
        The contract should say 147 which is the welterweight limit where the title is at stake
        The title could still be at stake as long as the fight is above 140. So it was for Leonard-Hearns II and Leonard-Lalonde.

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        • #14
          i agree with ts.he has no excuse if he does.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by mangler View Post
            Pac ain't big enuf for 147. Fight shouldn't happen at all.
            I disagree with you here my man. he already beat Oscar at 147lbs why can't he fight a guy who is at 147 rather then have someone come down to meet him at 147lbs? he is not too small size wise height reach etc Cotto not much > than PAC. I think this ia a fair fight at 147lbs. I still think PAC will win. I want Cotto to take it butr I don;t think he can from what I saw last time out....Lefty

            Originally posted by S a m u r a i View Post
            For once I'm gonna disagree with you, mang.

            You could have said Robinson was too small for light heavyweight seeing as he weighed in for the Maxim fight at only 157.5, but he was well ahead on all cards and would have become a light heavy champ if the temperature hadn't been 105 degrees and caused him to collapse from heat exhaustion.

            Anyways, I agree with Pully. Once your signature is on the contract, you're saying "I am fit to fight at ______ weight". No excuses. If you're not able to fight effectively after dropping 2 or 3 pounds, that's your problem. Your opponent should not be criticized for it.

            I usually would agree that WW's need to fight WW's, and I understand that there are weight divisions for a reason. However, talent often transcends weight, as it did for Robinson.
            Pacquiao is good enough to fight at 147...If he doesn't want to weigh that high let him do what Money Man did against Oscar...he came in weighing 150lbs or so.......It is what it is PACMAN wants to fight WW cause the money is there for him then let him fight at WW limit.....Lefty

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            • #16
              Originally posted by S a m u r a i View Post
              For once I'm gonna disagree with you, mang.

              You could have said Robinson was too small for light heavyweight seeing as he weighed in for the Maxim fight at only 157.5, but he was well ahead on all cards and would have become a light heavy champ if the temperature hadn't been 105 degrees and caused him to collapse from heat exhaustion.

              Anyways, I agree with Pully. Once your signature is on the contract, you're saying "I am fit to fight at ______ weight". No excuses. If you're not able to fight effectively after dropping 2 or 3 pounds, that's your problem. Your opponent should not be criticized for it.

              I usually would agree that WW's need to fight WW's, and I understand that there are weight divisions for a reason. However, talent often transcends weight, as it did for Robinson.
              I couldn't have said it better myself.

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              • #17
                anabove 144 is good enough anything below would be a total ***** move n roach knows that

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                • #18
                  So if Cotto decides that he is willing to drain himself further because the millions of dollars he will make and the chance at fighting Pac is worth it... then Pac still beat the best Cotto?

                  Cotto signing the contract... just means the DEAL was good enough to make it worth it to him..

                  It doesnt mean he wont have to sacrifice being at his best.

                  He may not have an excuse... but either way you slice it... Pac STILL didnt beat the best Cotto IMO..



                  I guess JMM has NO excuse for losing because he signed to fight Floyd at 144lbs..

                  OF COURSE he does... we all just know the deal was too good for JMM to pass it up... but Floyd still wont be beating the best JMM, whether JMM signed the contract or not.



                  If you sign the contract, then you are responsible... and should have no excuses...

                  But with all that... does that mean Pac DIDNT beat a drained Cotto?

                  Even though he signed?
                  Last edited by THE REED; 06-19-2009, 12:12 PM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by reedickyaluss View Post
                    So if Cotto decides that he is willing to drain himself further because the millions of dollars he will make and the chance at fighting Pac is worth it... then Pac still beat the best Cotto?

                    Cotto signing the contract... just means the DEAL was good enough to make it worth it to him..

                    It doesnt mean he wont have to sacrifice being at his best.

                    He may not have an excuse... but either way you slice it... Pac STILL didnt beat the best Cotto IMO..



                    I guess JMM has NO excuse for losing because he signed to fight Floyd at 144lbs..

                    OF COURSE he does... we all just know the deal was too good for JMM to pass it up... but Floyd still wont be beating the best JMM, whether JMM signed the contract or not.



                    If you sign the contract, then you are responsible... and should have no excuses...

                    But with all that... does that mean Pac DIDNT beat a drained Cotto?

                    Even though he signed?

                    Great freaking post.

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                    • #20
                      And a guy like Cotto who rehydrates THIRTEEN POUNDS in 24 hours... is OBVIOUSLY draining himself to get just to 147lbs...

                      And saying that Cotto JUST made 146lbs, is a MOOT point.

                      It's not like Cotto will STAY 146lbs after the fight... NO... he will have to drain ALL over again... only now that extra 2 pounds MUST be taken off...

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