Wlad/Chagaev in jeopardy! Chagaev tests positive for Hepatitis B.

[yeykax]

he been had heb B for the past 5 years and they will fight in Germany because the heb b level is low enough to let him fight!!!!

[The Hammer]

how did he contract Hep B?

It's usually sexually transmitted, but there are many other ways to contact it.

[street bully]

It's usually sexually transmitted, but there are many other ways to contact it.

He probably got it from a woman.

[The_Visitation]

he been had heb B for the past 5 years and they will fight in Germany because the heb b level is low enough to let him fight!!!!

Yup. It's not as if Wlad's camp didn't know, and I assume they wouldn't have signed up if there had been a danger of the German medics stopping Chagaev from fighting.

It's a good reason to root for Wlad though... if Chagaev won he would effectively be an undisputed HW champ incapable of fighting anywhere (significant) except Germany, which would be even more ridiculous than that 'champion in recess' rubbish.

[TheGreatA]

OF COURSE it wasn't one of his biggest wins. Because Archie Moore was a 45 year old welterweight. Actually Archie Moore was older, since he probably lied about his age by making himself 2 or 3 years younger.

You are right, that the correct term shouldn't be "biggest" but something like "mentionworthy". But I have only 500 characters for the sig and I used up all of them.


Sorry, but "Archie Moore" _WILL_ probably be mentioned.


He boxed at 145 and 147. That's welterweight'ish enough. But not only that: Archie Moore's record consists of beating guys who boxed as low as 112lbs! (Alabama Kid). Archie Moore's median opponent was 172lbs.

Can you just IMAGINE the outcry of US fans if Wlad Klitschko would box a near 50-year-old guy who has wins over guys as low as 139lbs (Chuck Vickers), or over guys who boxed as low as 112lbs?


In the 50ies Archie Moore's median fight weight was 180lbs. He would box as a sub-cruiser nowadays. Just tells you how crappy the heavyweight division was.


Willie Pastrano boxed as low as 122 lbs. I see absolutely NO RELEVANCE to anything. The win over Alejandro Lavorante (19-5) is Moore's biggest win in the 1960ies. So what?

You fail to mention that Archie Moore fought at around 145-150 lbs in his first two professional bouts. In total he had 220 fights and most of them at 175 lbs and above. It's as if you don't know a thing about Archie Moore and have just checked his record at boxrec.com.

The man was an ATG light heavyweight and had a very good record at HW as well, beating several top ranked 200+ lbs men decisively.

Alabama Kid fought at 112 lbs when he was 15 years of age. He spent most of his career as a middleweight.

Willie Pastrano boxed at 127 lbs when he was 16. He was the light heavyweight champion of the world.

Wladimir Klitschko does have a win over a man who weighed 140 lbs when he was 20 years of age and it's his career best win over Chris Byrd.

First of all, Evan Fields was 37 year old when he lost against Lennox. But more importantly: Lennox was merely 2+ years younger. You try to put an argument against Lewis where there is none.

Lewis had not gone through the wars that Holyfield had. Most people though he should have retired after losing to Rid**** Bowe years previously.

Ali too was older than the opponents he fought in the 70's yet you criticize those wins in every possible way.

Again the same story: But this time Lewis WAS EVEN OLDER than Mike Tyson. That Mike Tyson lost against Williams and McBride is based on the fact that both were Tyson's TWO HEAVIEST opponents (Williams: 265, McBride: 271). Tiny Mike couldn't compete with that. I don't buy this "Mike was shot" theory, because it's mainly used when Mike loses or when someone wants to reduce Lennox' achievements. You should rather accept the following statement: Mike is an ATG, but Lennox won because Lennox is a greater ATG.

You have got to be kidding me. Danny Williams and Kevin McBride weigh that much because they are grossly overweight. McBride in his prime weighed 220 lbs, Williams weighed 228 lbs years after beating Mike Tyson.

Unsatisfying yes, but gift? The 5 cuts on Vitali's left face were caused by Lennox' punches and because of Vitali's terribly low left hand.

About as legit an argument as calling George Foreman drugged against Ali.

I won't go there, because you try now to downgrade the opponent's opponents. I didn't do that with Ali's opponents' opponents. If I would do it, then Ali would look even worse.

Calling light heavyweights welterweights, all-time greats half-blinds, drugged and bumbeaters is not down-grading opponents? Are you kidding me?

The "90% bums" figure is wrong. Only approx. 7 of 27 title fights were against bummy opponents. The rest were against a median opponent of 52-8 (at bout) & 69-12 (career) which is EXTREMELY good. Joe Louis is an ATG. Not a single chance against modern heavies, but nevertheless an ATG.

Most of his opponents were cruiserweights, thus they are meaningless as heavyweight title defenses, according to YOUR logic.

The clinching, head-downpushing, insulting _IS_ dirty. Ali has no manners until now. He insults interviewers and obviously finds it funny to smirk like a child.

Clinching is dirty? Wladimir Klitschko clinched nearly 100 times against Sam Peter, Lennox Lewis was a notorious clincher, Hopkins uses clinching excessively... Ali was not the only one who did this.

Having no manners doesn't mean you're a great heavyweight. Most people who met Ali, thought he was well-mannered.

I urge everyone to watch Ali vs Earnie Terrell (WBA world heavyweight title 1967, Terell at that time 38-4). Ali runs away the whole fight, Terell has no clue what to do: As soon as he comes closer to Ali, Ali clinches, grabs his neck and insults him. Ali lands some weak shots (how could they be strong when he is punching while running backwards?). ANY modern heavy would walk THROUGH Terell. Ali went 15 rounds with him.

Ali did not run against Terrell, he beat Terrell up. You should watch more Terrell if you think he was terrible, he was actually a well-schooled fighter who could give anyone trouble with his awkward style. Certainly better than Ruiz.

Sorry, I don't think that anyone here will ack that Ali had a decent punch.

In his whole career Ali had 15 KOs within 12 rounds against 200+ opponents. That's 48% (15 of 37). That's like Chris Byrd. And that's already including drugged Foreman.

These statistics have nothing to do with anything. Fact is that the heavyweight division back then included men who were under 200 lbs and the fights went 15 rounds. The cruiserweight limit wasn't even more than 190 lbs until just a couple of years ago.

Eliminating KO's over men who were under 200 lbs and KO's that were scored in rounds 13-15 will of course make anyone's KO statistics worse.

A much more suitable way to decide who was the better puncher of the two is to take a look at the amount of KO's scored over ranked opposition.

Chris Byrd only scored a single stoppage win over a ranked opponent throughout his whole career,an injury-related corner retirement against Vitali, while Ali had several, over all-time great heavyweights as well.

Offer proof that Foreman was drugged.

Chris Byrd had 19 KOs against 200+ opponents. Frazier only 10. KOratio of Byrd and Frazier are approx the same (50%). Byrd won 5 world title fights (median opponent at bout 36-5), Frazier 6 (median 39-11).

Again Byrd did not score any legit KO wins over any ranked opponents, only tomato cans and the punching bags.

Byrd's average weight was 213 lbs (median self) vs 225 lbs (median opponents), while Frazier was basically a cruiser beating cruisers: 205 lbs (self) vs 201 (opponents). They are VERY comparable, with Byrd having the better record. Beating Byrd means more than beating Frazier.

So I'm supposed to believe that Chris Byrd was a better heavyweight than Joe Frazier? You are alone on that I'm afraid.

Please no examples from Amateur bouts or Olympics.

You give examples of 15-16 year old teenagers weighing very little so me doing the same for a much older fighter is fair even though he was an amateur.

Who cares that he KOed Chuck Leslie (177 lbs) or Doug Jones (188). I also don't care that Evander Holyfield KOed Rivera (169, 13-3) or Fred Brown (169lbs, 19-37). Meaningless wins for a valid heavyweight comparison.

Agreed. 90% of Byrd's KO wins over unranked opponents do not mean anything either.

This proves how clueless people are with their statistics without actually going back and watching these boxers with their own eyes.

Feather-fisted Joe Frazier:

[BEEHOP]

Chagaev by Hepatitis.

[shade darkar]

im sure there is very few people who give a fcuk.

[TheGreatA]

Awesome post, knn!

TheGreatA doesn't like Europeans fighters, especially the Klitschko brothers. He's too mature to bash them directly by calling them "Euro-bums", so he does it in more subtle ways.

For example, TheGreatA has posted a video about a hundred times of Vitali vs. his worst opponent ever, Mike Acklie, a short-notice replacement for Vitali's 4th professional fight. He kept posting the video with a comment like "Vitali fought poor opposition", to try to deceive people into believing that Vitali fought only bums like Acklie.

Awesome post filled with inaccuracies.

I posted that video three times because I and everyone else thought it was hilarious. I haven't posted it in a year yet you keep going on about it.

[joe strong]

I know this is an important fight but If I was wlad I wouldn't risk fighting him.hep b is serious.it may be curable but it takes time & it's a total lifestyle change.I was one of the only posters on this sight that supported valuevs decision to drop out of his fight.he gave up a couple million because he didn't want to risk it.chagaev wouldn't be able to fight in Canada or the us.mercer had it earlier in his career & was forced to cancel his fight with golota.no one would sanction him until he was fully recovered.I don't care how low the risk,if it's not 100% risk free I wouldn't fight.I have a dangerous job as an Ironworker & shortcuts are taken daily.I could take the same shortcut 100 times with no incidents but it only takes 1 short cut to many & I could fall to my death...so I don't take shortcut.it's the same thing with chagaevs hep issue.what if it was YOU who caught it.

[Sage84]

If Wlad takes the fight anyways, Chagaev should cut himself badly after round one and smear the blood all over his face and just charge wlad

That is the only way this fight it going to be the tiniest bit entertaining lol