Cotto vs Clottey Scorecards post yours

[IMDAZED]

The first round was close...Both men doing work with the jab...Cotto landed a good left hook while against the ropes...Clottey landed a couple more shots.

He definitely was not dominating the first round.

10-8 Cotto.

to give clottey the 10-9...He would have to be dominating Cotto thoroughly and that wasn't the case.

I agree. I scored it 10-8 Cotto. However, it's not absolutely necessary to score a round 10-8 because someone is knocked down.

[bklynboy]

so you would scored the round a 10-9 and not give credit for the knock down?? so what are the knock downs for??

I had Clottey winning 10-9 until the knockdown. To go from 10-9 Clottey to 10-8 Cotto is a three point turnaround. I could see that if Clottey was flattened and truly hurt. But not all knockdowns are the same. This particular knockdown - IMO - doesn't call for a 10-8 Cotto round.

[BOOMbip]

I had Clottey winning 10-9 until the knockdown. To go from 10-9 Clottey to 10-8 Cotto is a three point turnaround. I could see that if Clottey was flattened and truly hurt. But not all knockdowns are the same. This particular knockdown - IMO - doesn't call for a 10-8 Cotto round.

Well then you should have no problem understanding that most people including all 3 judges scored the round 10-8 Cotto.

That should make it clear how close of a fight it was and how easly points and the W can swing from one man to the other.

This was just Cotto's night.

[bklynboy]

In a 10 point must system you have to score the round a 2 point round for the KD. Clottey knew it and was clearly pissed at himself for hitting the canvas. Clottey was NOT dominating the action so that he would hav had a 10-8 round sfor himself even if the KD hadn't occured. That round has to be 10-8 Cotto anyway you slice it. You can make for an arguement that some of the more competitive rounds could be 10-10 rounds but in a 10 point must system a competitive rounds has to be scored 10-9 if we all thought like you there would be alot more draws and swing rounds making more scores from judges leaving you shaking your head oh ish WTF did he see the same fight I was watching.....Lefty

I understand what you're saying about the potential for many more drawn rounds and WTF decisions. Nevertheless I have problems with Cotto getting a 10-8 decision here.

I'm not so sure that you MUST score it 10-8. If it's a fairly even round a knock down would make it 10-8. But if one fighter is winning a round and suffers a flash knockdown I can't see him losing that round 10-8.

[BOOMbip]

I understand what you're saying about the potential for many more drawn rounds and WTF decisions. Nevertheless I have problems with Cotto getting a 10-8 decision here.

I'm not so sure that you MUST score it 10-8. If it's a fairly even round a knock down would make it 10-8. But if one fighter is winning a round and suffers a flash knockdown I can't see him losing that round 10-8.

Clottey was barley edging the round...and even that is debatable...he was not a decisive winner of the round...The knockdown happend in the round.

so it's mute point...Cotto won the round...and because of the knockdown...It's a 10-8 round.

There is no WAS winning the round...you either won the round or you lost it.

[bklynboy]

Well then you should have no problem understanding that most people including all 3 judges scored the round 10-8 Cotto.

That should make it clear how close of a fight it was and how easly points and the W can swing from one man to the other.

This was just Cotto's night.

Yes, I can see it IF the judge thought that the round was even. I'm not saying that Clottey was robbed by the 10-8 score. In my opininon Clottey won the round until the knockdown; most of the people I was with thought the same. Lederman's 10-8 scoring of that round dominated most of the inter-round talk.

[bklynboy]

There is no WAS winning the round...you either won the round or you lost it.

You're right, when the round is over. But during the round you're thinking about whose controlling the fight, landing the bigger punches, etc... At that point you have in your mind a constantly changing view the round. A fighter who is winning the round lands a vicious combination, and lands another combination and now you think that he is dominating that round. Of course it may turn around in a second and he loses that round or is even KOed.

In this case I had Clottey winning the round clearly (not dominating but it was - for me - an easy 10-9 round for Clottey). I find it hard to justify giving Cotto a 10-8 and 3 point turnaround for that knockdown.

[BOOMbip]

You're right, when the round is over. But during the round you're thinking about whose controlling the fight, landing the bigger punches, etc... At that point you have in your mind a constantly changing view the round. A fighter who is winning the round lands a vicious combination, and lands another combination and now you think that he is dominating that round. Of course it may turn around in a second and he loses that round or is even KOed.

In this case I had Clottey winning the round clearly (not dominating but it was - for me - an easy 10-9 round for Clottey). I find it hard to justify giving Cotto a 10-8 and 3 point turnaround for that knockdown.

I understand your point of view...I just have never scored a close round with a with a flash knockdown of 1 fighter a 10-9...It has always gone 10-8 for me and I think for most of people who use a ten point must to score a round.


Will you concede that the first round may have been even on some people score cards...with out the knockdown?

[rob6465]

So in TALLYING these scorecards from me back....what's the verdict? I had it 114-113 cotto.

[bklynboy]

I understand your point of view...I just have never scored a close round with a with a flash knockdown of 1 fighter a 10-9...It has always gone 10-8 for me and I think for most of people who use a ten point must to score a round.

Off hand I can't think of a time I have either. But this is an interesting case.

Will you concede that the first round may have been even on some people score cards...with out the knockdown?

Of course. :-) It's the differences in opinion, and what we value in scoring a round, that make this sport fun.