Ray Mercer Knocks Tim Sylvia Out in Nine Seconds

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If you dont think an elite boxer could go into K-1 and defeat with the best you are once again out of your mind.

Let me guess, a pro boxer would also hit for a better average than all baseball players too. Lovely! I bet Floyd Mayweather would crush Usain Bolt in a 100 meter sprint as well.

Face it, kickboxing is a 4 point striking sport, boxing is a 2 point striking sport. Remy Bojansky would kick the living bejesus out of any professional boxer under K1 rules, with a big smile on his face while doing it. Imagine Miguel Cotto trying to defend a head kick, he would look no less awkward than he would trying to kick a field goal from the 35 yard line.

Would Remy Bojansky get smoked in a pure boxing war? Yes. I realize that because I'm secure with the fact that a boxer wouldn't win every type of fight out there. Especially a street fight against an MMA fighter, which almost goes without saying. But I'll leave it to Boxinghomer McGee to dispute THAT one.

[pugilistfan]

Damn it, read entire post.

I've said Sylvia has zero fighting IQ, in normal situation (different fighter) he wouldn't box with former world champion, instead he would try to get the fight to the ground.



Sylvia is not near the black belt level, he is good at defending himself, and that's it.



All those boxers did good job right after they took wrestling and BJJ training, before that they would loose to average fighters.

Tell me, who did Sylvia beat? His biggest win's were against Rodriguez (who looked like **** after that fight) and Arlovski (who has no chin, and was beating Sylvia before getting ******).

Any other elite fighter he fought against, he lost... Got owned and outboxed by 50 lbs lighter, and 43 years old Couture, got submitted by Nogueira (who is really shot fighter these days), got submitted by Mir, got destroyed by Fedor. Sylvia beat two relevant fighters in his career, one of them has no chin, and other one is drug and alcohol abuser. And yeah, he beat 30 cm's smaller Monson, and LHW Vera where he just clinched with the guy.

Sylvia is not TOP 10 hw fighter these days, and is not TOP 200 in boxing.



Botha's record in K1 is 2-10 or something like that...

Musashi? Musashi isn't capable of finishing fights.


These are two different sports? Elite boxer beat MMA fighter? So did Elite judoka, elite wrestler, elite kick-boxer etc.. Who gives a ****?

If Mercer is so good in MMA, why doesn't he fight Fedor than?

Tim Sylvia has absolutely zero athleticism and yet had a solid reign as UFC champion. If thats not fighting with intelligence I dont know what is. With limited tools he became a very good MMA'er.

And Monson is actually a very good HW, arguably top 10 right now. You obviously mentioned the others. I never said he was the best thing since sliced bread but he does have an impressive resume, his resume is filled with impressive MMA'ers. And he did beat up Noguiera for the majority of that fight before getting submitted.

Yea, I agree, Sylvia is far from being black belt level in fact thats his biggest weakness...grappling. Thats why I questioned it.

K-1 is not MMA. And Mercer was was way out of his prime when he went to K-1. K-1 is a criminal organization with a reputation of fight fixing. A prime Botha, prime Mercer would go in there and steamroll through the majority of K-1's best. Either way, K-1 has nothing to do with this discussion, the bottom line is a former UFC champion whos biggest asset is his striking and is a year removed from fighting the Fedors and Nogs of the world just got sparked by a 48 year old former boxer. This former boxer did what NOBODY in MMA could do. Mercer hit Sylvia harder than anybody has ever done.

And in regards to the boxers/kickboxers you mentioned. If they did take wrestling, BJJ...they got a very small crash course in it.

The point is, that all these MMA fans who know absolutely nothing about fighting always come here and say that MMA is vastly different, "MMA striking" is vastly different, its harder, a boxer would need to learn MMA before competing with even a MID-LEVEL MMA'er. Also, glove size would be another huge transition, blah blah blah. Well, Mercer just walked into Sylvias backyard with absolutely no formal MMA training and laid a beatdown on him worse than any MMA'er has done.

And talk about fighting Fedor is just ******. Mercer is 48 god damn years old.

[pugilistfan]

You're ****in ****** for making that comparison. You do realize there's no such thing as an MMA'er right? MMA is basically a melting pot of athletes from different contact sports that specialized and competed at a world class level at something that is NOT mma.

Obviously high level boxers can box the crap out of anyone that is NOT a boxer who is ****** enough to stand there with them.

Obviously BJ Penn would submit the crap out of anyone WITHOUT a jiu-jitsu background thats ****** enough to not throw any strikes at him.

Competed at a world class level. You're obviously ****** for thinking that. Rampage, Sherk, Griffin and MANY, MANY others come from either high school wrestling backgrounds, or average collegiate/JUCO schools where they wrestled. Some were good BJJ practitioners, very few were actually decent or even good strikers. And most of the MMA'ers now dont come from any specific background. They have simply learned as they go at MMA gyms which is not the way to go which is likely why the product is so bad.

The point is, many argued that MMA is its own style, which its clearly not and the transition to MMA from other combat sports is not rocket science.

[Dan...]

a world class boxer will ALWAYS have a legit punchers chance in MMA but an MMA fighter has absolutely no chance in boxing

This is 100% correct. End of discussion really.

[pugilistfan]

Let me guess, a pro boxer would also hit for a better average than all baseball players too. Lovely! I bet Floyd Mayweather would crush Usain Bolt in a 100 meter sprint as well.

Face it, kickboxing is a 4 point striking sport, boxing is a 2 point striking sport. Remy Bojansky would kick the living bejesus out of any professional boxer under K1 rules, with a big smile on his face while doing it. Imagine Miguel Cotto trying to defend a head kick, he would look no less awkward than he would trying to kick a field goal from the 35 yard line.

Would Remy Bojansky get smoked in a pure boxing war? Yes. I realize that because I'm secure with the fact that a boxer wouldn't win every type of fight out there. Especially a street fight against an MMA fighter, which almost goes without saying. But I'll leave it to Boxinghomer McGee to dispute THAT one.

MMA is a sport, SPORT. So saying that an MMA'er would win in a REAL FIGHT against a boxer is not only ****** but childish. A real fight is completely unpredictable, without predetermined environments, rules etc.

And in a REAL FIGHT, you can god damn guarantee im not taking someone down, im going to do what Lee Murray did to a superior MMA'er in a REAL FIGHT, and thats KO him. And im goign to do what a greco roman wrestler in Randy Couture would recommend, remain on my feet. Going to the ground is the last option, staying on your feet is your best option. And boxers stay on their feet.

[Klitschko2011]

Wladimir Klitschko was the first man to knockdown and KO the iron chinned Mercer. Wlad destroyed Mercer in 6 rounds 8 years ago.

[Iceta]

I don't folllow up too much about boxers crossing over to MMA and vice versa. And I admit I'm a bigger boxing fan than MMA. And it makes me wonder why I am after the bull**** decision that we witnessed in the Cotto-Clottey fight. But I heard that Mercer fought Kimbo Slice and got submitted didn't he? Someone has probably already mentioned it in the thread though.

[Johnny Rebel]

I don't folllow up too much about boxers crossing over to MMA and vice versa. And I admit I'm a bigger boxing fan than MMA. And it makes me wonder why I am after the bull**** decision that we witnessed in the Cotto-Clottey fight. But I heard that Mercer fought Kimbo Slice and got submitted didn't he? Someone has probably already mentioned it in the thread though.

Yeah, here's that fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZWQn-Rvg-U

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Scott Christ

If anyone rational wants to know my opinion of what this means in the great pretend war between MMA and boxing, it means absolutely nothing. Listen, I've never met Tim Sylvia. I genuinely assume he's a nice guy. But I have no idea what kind of mindset he has right now other than a guess that it's not very good. He came in over 300 pounds for this fight, which means he didn't train and didn't take this seriously, which is ******. I know we all think the fight was a joke -- and it was, it should not have happened -- but he was going in there to do a job, a dangerous job, and he didn't prepare. His career is completely in shambles now.

[F l i c k e r]

He was UFC champ FOR A LONG TIME...... I remember they used to say how great of a stand up fighter he was... Hahahahahaha

MMA bow down to Boxing.....

Nah, I never liked Tim Sylvia. I always thought he looked ****** when he fights. His knees point in, he has a hunch back. I dont know, never liked him.

He got his ass handed to him though. I think it was pretty even ground though. Retired boxer vs Shot mma fighter.

How would you feel if Anderson Silva KO'd Roy Jones Jr? You would say RJJ was shot anyways. Guess what? Sylvia was shot a long long time ago.