James Toney - What Was at Stake?

[Eyeh8you]

Both of Them were Hiting Byrd at will. Just using Byrd as another "hard to hit" example.

[phallus]

They hit Byrd because he didn't throw many punches, Toney will throw a lot of punches, he needs to alnd a lot of leather to do the damage

[oldgringo]

Both of Them were Hiting Byrd at will. Just using Byrd as another "hard to hit" example.

Hitting Byrd and hitting Toney are two different things...they have different defensive styles. Toney rolls his shoulder and keeps his right hand high to parry, thus making it so nothing lands flush. He also slips punches very well. Byrd relies more on movement and slipping...Toney can just stand there, take a bunch of punches, and laugh while none of them affect him. He also has very tight body defense.

[Neuraxis]

Hitting Byrd and hitting Toney are two different things...they have different defensive styles. Toney rolls his shoulder and keeps his right hand high to parry, thus making it so nothing lands flush. He also slips punches very well. Byrd relies more on movement and slipping...Toney can just stand there, take a bunch of punches, and laugh while none of them affect him. He also has very tight body defense.

I'll need to see it before I believe it.

[oldgringo]

I'll need to see it before I believe it.

Granted...even I need to see it. I still believe he can do it though. Back before James beat Nunn in '91, when I was a young lad getting my hair cut next to him, he told everyone in that barber shop that he would be Heavyweight champ. I still believe him.

[Moon]

Dempsey - You seem to have somehow lost your mind on this one.

His "great chance to unify the division" would probably start with Ruiz, who would mug him and get the decision. It's perfectly impossible that Toney would frustrate Ruiz into quitting, because Ruiz doesn't care. It's perfectly possible that Toney would get frustrated and take a big ****ing swing, not a push, and connect afger the bell. Down goes Ruiz, who lays there, gets the DQ.

Your right, he'd beat Lamon and very likely Byrd.

Vitali wouldn't need the uppercut against Toney. James wants guys to come to him, especially now that he's puffed up on juice so badly. Vitali can stand back while Toney leans on the ropes and "pops" Toney at will. Toney's short tight little juiced-up arms will be on the outside whiffing the air, all night long. Oops, did I say long? I guess Vitali by TKO within 7 isn't really a long night.

Toney talks big, but Vitali is big.

[Moon]

I'll need to see it before I believe it.

Exactly. Until Toney shows us something, that will be my mantra.

For now, the "big" version of Toney has built a phantom legacy by beating the old tired Evander and war-bait Jirov.

[Eyeh8you]

I'll need to see it before I believe it.

exactly. I guarentee if the champ nails him at will that right hand aint gonna save his bacon!

[GasPed]

I'm with the doubters. Ruiz is a total thug, unless you can stay away from him or overpower him, you got no chance. Toney's got no chance.

Vitali is a huge man monster. Yeah, he's a robot, but a strong, powerful one. No way Toney gets inside to even land something semi-solid, let alone break the giant down.

Byrd - Toney has a chance against him, but even then, it's no cakewalk. Byrd is slick, he moves better than James and he's got better reach and handspeed. And for once, against Toney, he wouldn't be at a size or power disadvantage. Can Toney get inside and get enough solid shots on him to break him down? Like I said, it's no cakewalk.

Toney talks trash and I actually think it's funny and entertaining. But he hasn't beaten anyone at HW yet, so until then, it's all just talk...

[FistoftheDallasStar]

Toney definately has a chance against Ruiz. You can't sit there and tell me Ruiz is so good he can't be beaten by Toney. Ruiz is slow and loves to hold pull and wear down but can be hurt by punches. Even Roy wobbled him a couple of times. Toney can hurt him by getting on the inside of his punches and chop him down. We all know that Ruiz doesn't put enough punches together to really be an offensive threat to Toney. I belive Toney would win by 9th round TKO.

Byrd will be tougher because he moves very quickly for a heavyweight but he still would have to move in at somepoint to land punches. But Toney putting extra pressure on Byrd and work both the body and the head he could pull this one out. Byrd can still be hurt and would try and fight Toney from the outside. Byrd would trying to get a better lead would exchange with Toney too often and start to wear down. This would be a close bout that would be decided by a split decision victory for Toney.

Yes, Vitali would be the biggest test and he should be he is champ. But this fight would still be close. I'm sorry but you guys that think Vitali is gonna just mop the floor with Toney are dead wrong. This will be a tactical fight. Toney does not have one punch knockout power but the man can hurt fighters when they are careless. I can see this one going into the late rounds. If this one goes past 8 rounds Toney's chances for victory greatly increase. Tony by SD