James Toney - What Was at Stake?

[whdempsey]

I've read about his planned comeback in February about three times now. What I'm wondering is whether he actually lost any time due to his injury. If h stayed in shape the way he did during his last layoff, then he's only lost about eight-ten weeks. If he let himself go, he's lost it all. There's no way he'll make another comeback. But assuming he stayed in shape the way I'm pretty sure he did, how much can he still do?

I think he has a great chance to unify the division.If there were a tournament starting with the four titlists (I'm mostly counting Lamon Brewster because I want him out already), Toney, and three other contenders, I think it's very possible that Toney would end up on top. I mean, who do you pick without a shadow of a doubt to beat Toney?

Lamon Brewster would get stopped. He doesn't throw enough punches for Toney to even take a deep breath.

Chris Byrd is a great defensive boxer, but his offense pales in comparison to Toney's. Furthermore, it's pretty clear to most people that Byrd is slowing down. I love the Byrd man, but I'd go with Toney here.

John Ruiz would finally get DQ'd. Or he'd get stopped again. It's perfectly possible that Toney would frustrate him into quitting. It'd be a fight for the first half of the bout, but at some point Ruiz would find it impossible to force himself to keep getting hit so much.

Really, the only punch Vitali knows how to throw on the inside is the uppercut. Granted, it's a pretty big punch, but if Toney keeps him off balance just a little bit he can beat Klitschko. Klitschko's the most serious threat. I would say it's even money with Klitschko, and Toney would be the favorite against anyone else I named.

[BrooklynBomber]

I think that byrd is more skilled than toney and will outbox him.
Tuiz will beat him for obvious reasons
Vitaly will break his arms if Toney will try to defend himself or break his head othewise.
Lamon Brewster will win because Don King will jump in a fight( a la Norman Stone) and hit him with a steel chair

[whdempsey]

You're a hater though. I've read some of your other posts about Toney. Well. One of your other posts.

[whdempsey]

I liked your Brewster comment though.

[BrooklynBomber]

At the present moment yes I am a hater because I hate arrogant and ****y bastards. If he beats somebody real from top ten(like barret or rahman) and does it in a dominant manner I will be the first one to scream for a match with Vitaly or whoever of the champs you want. Until that I dont buy the hype. Seen too many guys like Tony go down in a bad way to believe in him

[whdempsey]

At the present moment yes I am a hater because I hate arrogant and ****y bastards. If he beats somebody real from top ten(like barret or rahman) and does it in a dominant manner I will be the first one to scream for a match with Vitaly or whoever of the champs you want. Until that I dont buy the hype. Seen too many guys like Tony go down in a bad way to believe in him

I love ****y bastards. That's what makes the sport go round. Still, I respect and appreciate what you're saying. You make a better point more succinctly than the average hater, and that's important to me. I disagree with you, naturally, pointing to the skills he has shown us in his first two fights at heavy, but I liked your post nonetheless.

And just so we're clear, I want em all.

[phallus]

I think he has a great chance to unify the division.If there were a tournament starting with the four titlists (I'm mostly counting Lamon Brewster because I want him out already), Toney, and three other contenders, I think it's very possible that Toney would end up on top. I mean, who do you pick without a shadow of a doubt to beat Toney?

Lamon Brewster would get stopped. He doesn't throw enough punches for Toney to even take a deep breath.

Chris Byrd is a great defensive boxer, but his offense pales in comparison to Toney's. Furthermore, it's pretty clear to most people that Byrd is slowing down. I love the Byrd man, but I'd go with Toney here.

John Ruiz would finally get DQ'd. Or he'd get stopped again. It's perfectly possible that Toney would frustrate him into quitting. It'd be a fight for the first half of the bout, but at some point Ruiz would find it impossible to force himself to keep getting hit so much.

Really, the only punch Vitali knows how to throw on the inside is the uppercut. Granted, it's a pretty big punch, but if Toney keeps him off balance just a little bit he can beat Klitschko. Klitschko's the most serious threat. I would say it's even money with Klitschko, and Toney would be the favorite against anyone else I named.


yeah, whdempsey, well said, i see it the same way, too!

[Eyeh8you]

You're a hater though. I've read some of your other posts about Toney. Well. One of your other posts.

And your a oney scrotum sailor so the inniverse evens out!

[GxBrak]

toney actually is a very proven fighter, he has much more skill than byrd or probably any other hw. the problem is that he has very little power at over 200lbs. guys like vitali klitschko would beat him because of the size and strength advantage

[phallus]

guys like vitali klitschko would beat him because of the size and strength advantage....

not if they can't hit him, i doubt most of their shot would land clean on Toney, it's hard to land a clean punch on him, especially when you're used to punching a much bigger target