On July 26th, 2008 Miguel Cotto robbed us all of a High Drama KO

[verdict]

Well put it like this, I don't think Margarito would've landed 240 punches hadn't he broke Cotto down quicker then he was supposed to without those gloves being loaded. Had he not had those gloves loaded, Cotto would've never been broken down that quick, he would've never gotten his nose busted so easily in the second round, he probably would've kept his energy level and momentum up later then the 6th round which means he would've pulled even further away on the scorecards, and would've lasted all 12 rounds. Those loaded gloves would've wore Cotto down quicker then margaritos normal punches would've done.

I expected the Cali Commission to not do an investigation on the Cotto fight cause if it was to have been found out that the gloves were loaded in that fight as well, do you know how much **** they'd be catching about this getting by twice. So us fans do our own investigations, and there's plenty of pictures of the wraps margarito was trying to use in the mosley fight being the same ones he used in the cotto fight.

But since no one knows for sure, how can you give **** to Cotto about taking a knee and quitting if you don't know yourself whether Margarito had plaster in his gloves or not.

[Fox McCloud]

And I answered it, I just didn't give you the answer you wanted to hear.

Ok lets say(hypothetically) he cheated after Williams.....please explain the punishment he used to give to his opponents prior to that?? Please explain how he was champion for several years without this plaster??
Please explain all those shots that rocked Cotto by "smaller" guys. Don't give me this weight drain crap, Torres/Corely/Judah most likely hit a lot softer than Margs. Do you forget Cotto has a big weakness to uppercuts?? What is one of Margs favorite punches???

FYI it does mean ****, better trained means less room for errors.

I'd probably explain it by saying that his competition wasn't that good previous to Williams.

He KO'd Cintron... the guy who took 10 when he thought he got a headbutt against Martinez. Cintron is a lot of things, but having heart is not one of them.

Clottey stood up 12 with him no problem.

And yeah, I'd attribute Torres and Corley rocking him to weight problems more than anything.

Judah caught him flush with a big shot, and his best punch, the left uppercut. He was hurt there geniunely, but... the other two, against Torres and Corley I would solidly attribute to weight.

Yes, Cotto was hurt by Margarito uppercuts, which is a pattern in his career. The problem is, he was also hurt by every other type of punch that Margarito threw.

And no... you still have not answered the original question. What MOTIVATION would someone have for cheating against any easier opponent if he played it straight against a harder opponent?

The only pseudo answer you have given is that the California State Athletic Commission sucks. If that's the best you can do, I'll go ahead and stop arguing, because you are literally arguing that science is not a valid way of proving something. Lab tests clearly show there was illegal substance on his wraps. End of story.

[Abstraction]

You can't accuse Margarito of cheating agaisnt Cotto when there is no proof.

Officially it's legit, and it probably is to

[Animalistic]

He wasn't a big underdog in the Cotto fight. Lot of people picked Margs to win. Also Mosley was a 4-1 underdog if I remember correctly.

I think Cotto was a 3-1 favorite in the Margarito fight and Margarito was 6-1 favorite vs Mosley.

Margarito was the underdog in the Cotto fight no matter how you look at it and he was an overwhelming favorite vs Mosley.

[Check]

You are mad that Miguel was smart enough to take a knee and fight another day? Why should anyone be forced to get hit with bricks for 30 minutes just to please you and your Mexican cheat? Miguel was right with what he did and is having another huge fight. On the other side the guy you considered a true Mexican is sitting in some hut with no big fights on the horizon. Put that on your highlight reel and shove it. CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT at all costs even if it means killing someone, great mentality.

[Mr. Fantastic]

I'd probably explain it by saying that his competition wasn't that good previous to Williams.

He KO'd Cintron... the guy who took 10 when he thought he got a headbutt against Martinez. Cintron is a lot of things, but having heart is not one of them.

Clottey stood up 12 with him no problem.

And yeah, I'd attribute Torres and Corley rocking him to weight problems more than anything.

Judah caught him flush with a big shot, and his best punch, the left uppercut. He was hurt there geniunely, but... the other two, against Torres and Corley I would solidly attribute to weight.

Yes, Cotto was hurt by Margarito uppercuts, which is a pattern in his career. The problem is, he was also hurt by every other type of punch that Margarito threw.

And no... you still have not answered the original question. What MOTIVATION would someone have for cheating against any easier opponent if he played it straight against a harder opponent?

The only pseudo answer you have given is that the California State Athletic Commission sucks. If that's the best you can do, I'll go ahead and stop arguing, because you are literally arguing that science is not a valid way of proving something. Lab tests clearly show there was illegal substance on his wraps. End of story.

Lab found plaster elements IN THE MOSLEY FIGHT, not the Cotto fight, not the Cintron fight, not the Clottey fight, Not the Williams fight, etc.

Competition wasn't good?? How about he is the only one that has beaten Martinez?? You know the guy you have a bet with if he were to of fight Forrest. Not only did he beat him.....HE KNOCKED HIM THE **** OUT!! What about 6 Head Lewis?? Danny Perez?? Frankie Randall?? Antonio Diaz?? Lujan?? Cintron has no heart but beat a highly rated prospect in Perro who A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT WAS BETTER THAN MARGS.

Clottey?? No problem?? Ok so explain the compubox record?? Explain the broken hand that ended up being nothing but a bruise?? This is with Margs being injured ALSO AND COMING BACK FROM A LAY OFF.

Anyways I'm done talking in this thread. Don't want to keep bumping it. Remember I had nothing to do with it. Cotto quit but I admired his guts and heart vs Margs. Without his will to win, it wouldn't be a CLASSIC fight.

[Fox McCloud]

Lab found plaster elements IN THE MOSLEY FIGHT, not the Cotto fight, not the Cintron fight, not the Clottey fight, Not the Williams fight, etc.

Competition wasn't good?? How about he is the only one that has beaten Martinez?? You know the guy you have a bet with if he were to of fight Forrest. Not only did he beat him.....HE KNOCKED HIM THE **** OUT!! What about 6 Head Lewis?? Danny Perez?? Frankie Randall?? Antonio Diaz?? Lujan?? Cintron has no heart but beat a highly rated prospect in Perro who A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT WAS BETTER THAN MARGS.

Clottey?? No problem?? Ok so explain the compubox record?? Explain the broken hand that ended up being nothing but a bruise?? This is with Margs being injured ALSO AND COMING BACK FROM A LAY OFF.

Okay, so if you conceed that he cheated in the Mosley fight, then you definitely haven't answered my question of why he cheated there but decided to play it straight against the better opponent in Cotto.

I know he beat Martinez... a super young Martinez who had 16 fights. I'd like to see a rematch, but Margarito is pretty much useless above 147, so there goes that.

6 Heads Lewis was okay, but a paper champ at 147 who got blitzed by Mayorga early, and was never the same after that fight. Randall was ancient beyond belief when he lost to Margarito. Diaz is about the only good opponent before Williams that Margarito KO'd other than Cintron (and a super young Martinez who has obviously improved drastically).

The others you mentioned, Perez, Lujan all went the distance (Lujan didn't, but it's not like Margarito's ferocious punching power had him hurt so bad he couldn't continue... his ear started to come off at the seams, but I'm sure you already knew that).

I think you got confused what we were arguing about... we were talking about why it is likely that Margarito used plaster against Cotto. He didn't have a ton of high level KO's before Williams... So throwing names out like Perez doesn't really help your case any.

But really, all of this aside, I just can't understand why the cheater uses plaster against an assured win (or so 4 out of 5 people thought) against Mosley, but decided that he could beat Cotto (when 3 out of 4 people though he couldn't) without plaster wraps. It just doesn't make any sense.

[Little Killer]

Nuurzhaelan

'Ownage' is not merely a couple of snarky comments, but being largely right. He is wrong. Cotto suffered broken ribs, nose and cheek against a guy with loaded gloves. CSAC owned maracheato, then, huh?

This is the Red K message I got

[Guest]

Okay, so if you conceed that he cheated in the Mosley fight, then you definitely haven't answered my question of why he cheated there but decided to play it straight against the better opponent in Cotto.

I know he beat Martinez... a super young Martinez who had 16 fights. I'd like to see a rematch, but Margarito is pretty much useless above 147, so there goes that.

6 Heads Lewis was okay, but a paper champ at 147 who got blitzed by Mayorga early, and was never the same after that fight. Randall was ancient beyond belief when he lost to Margarito. Diaz is about the only good opponent before Williams that Margarito KO'd other than Cintron (and a super young Martinez who has obviously improved drastically).

The others you mentioned, Perez, Lujan all went the distance (Lujan didn't, but it's not like Margarito's ferocious punching power had him hurt so bad he couldn't continue... his ear started to come off at the seams, but I'm sure you already knew that).

I think you got confused what we were arguing about... we were talking about why it is likely that Margarito used plaster against Cotto. He didn't have a ton of high level KO's before Williams... So throwing names out like Perez doesn't really help your case any.

But really, all of this aside, I just can't understand why the cheater uses plaster against an assured win (or so 4 out of 5 people thought) against Mosley, but decided that he could beat Cotto (when 3 out of 4 people though he couldn't) without plaster wraps. It just doesn't make any sense.

I don't know what Margarito did or didn't do, but Mosley has a great chin and Cotto got rocked by lesser people. Add to that, that Margs came into the Mosley camp over 180 seems to be added fuel to why they would plaster him up.
For some people it works like this Cintron=Plaster, Williams=no plaster, Clottey=no plaster, Cotto=plaster.

Another fact to consider Nsac=checks wraps Csac=doesn't check wraps.
Cotto's managemt=no one present during wrapping? Mosley= of course.

[Burner]

Yes Cotto quit..thats unquestionable..BUT because he did...hes able to fight Clottey in 2 days.