HBOs Boxing Budget Is On Empty!

[Iceta]

And this is the reason why the Dawson-Johnson rematch isn't gonna happen likely until November. Ross Greenburg doesn't know how to run the network. That's for sure. The Williams-Wright scrap was a must because of the contract that Wright had with HBO, but the Dawson-Tarver rematch was a total dud. And it makes me wonder how much money they would have saved if they would have just threw Margarito-Mosley on PPV. I think enough people were interested in that fight that it could have probably did about 350,000 buys maybe. That's why I'm not totally against PPV as long as it's a good investment as a way forward. But with the way things have went, it looks like HBO's budget is at a total stand still.

[Mary Jane]

I've heard quite a few people say after that 2.4M fight, "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you".

Never again...

Floyd Hatton did 910K, more than Pac Hatton. Floyd JMM will do 200K more than Pac JMM II (Pac JMM I wasn't even a PPV) Shame on you.

[Kenny Blankenship]

If a Pac-Mayweather fight presents itself before the end of the year they will find the money.

I have a feeling they are holding back a bit waiting to see if it's going to happen or not. They aren't going to commit money and dates if a superfight of this caliber is close to happening.

It's situations like this where it pays to have a creative resourceful promoter.

A guy like Arum has shown in the past that he can make money for himself and his fighters while not having to rely on networks to make fights profitable.

Golden Boy relies heavily on HBO to hype and promote fights on their behalf...the BobFather doesn't.

[el malo]

If a Pac-Mayweather fight presents itself before the end of the year they will find the money. I have a feeling they are holding back a bit waiting to see if it's going to happen or not. They aren't going to commit money and dates if a superfight of this caliber is close to happening. It's situations like this where it pays to have a creative resourceful promoter. A guy like Arum has shown in the past that he can make money for himself and his fighters while not having to rely on networks to make fights profitable. Golden Boy relies heavily on HBO to hype and promote fights on their behalf...the BobFather doesn't.

thats why top rank>>>>>gbp.

[baracuda]

what gets me is hbo does'nt update the boxers records as much as they should...

[MJ406]

okay compiled a bunch of posts and I've come up with a conclusion, feel free to critique as needed.

they really need to stop this bull****,

**** HBO, sure there the best at showing boxing, and i love the commentators, but now they dont have money because of bull**** deals, so now there gonna make more PPV, and deny alot of fights, im gonna have to listen to the idiots on shotime.

they should jus get boxing on regular TV, like Versus, and ESPN,
the **** would be better for the sport.

boxing on regular TV would be ideal, that way it could be exposed to a larger audience, and more people would be able to watch it. Weather more people would watch it is a whole nother story, but at least it's an idea.

Unfortunately, the networks like ESPN and Versus aren't going to pay Floyd or Pacquiao $____________ to fight, that's just the reality of it. I'm in favor of having more general Boxing on regular TV, but in the age of PPV and people who demand high purses, you can't blame the networks, blame the guy asking for $20 Mill up front.

true, most likely ESPN or whomever isn't likely to roll the dice on putting boxing on reg TV ... cuz even if they could front the bill, odds are that network (be it ABC, or ESPN) isn't sure of a successful profit. Think about what's on ESPN right now, chances are it's shown because ESPN thinks they can get some sort of profit on it ..... which is probably why Boxing is "stuck to PPV" the risks of putting Boxing on basic cable probably out weight the reward.

Right, but the point is that the matches they've spent Millions on in hopes that people would flock to buy the next ones aren't always the ones that provide people who drop $50 the entertainment that'll make them buy another PPV when the time comes.

So the question is, do you blame HBO for dishing out the money for these fights, or are they just giving these fighters the money because that's all that's there to be made?

I don't think the entire blame should be put on HBO.

Bolded what I did for emphasis as a chunk of the problem I relate to "hope" which would tie into the second and 3rd points

HBO is hoping for people to "flock to buy" you can't really blame them, since they are putting forth the effort, but don't really know what will work or not, so they kinda have to throw money, in order to at least attempt to find an audience.


and lastly I'd like to throw in, HBO is having trouble finding it's "boxing audience"

just take the "wasted showcases" of say Angulo and Kirkland, or how much money was blown on the Dawson-Tarver rematch or the Winky-Williams fight

all the above examples, IMO prove my point that HBO is having trouble getting a boxing audience that sticks. Cuz if they had a bread and butter "go to guy" so to speak (or maybe they lost one in DLH)

they'd rely on that star to carry em through.

but since there's no star to rely on, they're forced to try and find new ones .. i.e. Kirkland, Angulo, Dawson

and HBO over pays, because they don't want to be outbid and risk losing the fight all together.

and lets face it, if HBO losses out on a showcase fight, or any fight for that matter, they know they'll get Zero profit.

so they (HBO) roll the dice, and risk over paying, in order to get the fight
(again at that point all they are concerned with is GETTING the fight, who knows how much it'll sell?)

what'd ya'll think? just an opinion, and I used some of what you said to create it.

BUMP.