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  • Pullcounter
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    #11
    Originally posted by 2nd Round KO
    There have been indicators here and there that HBO's budget for boxing has been a little thin, but Steve Kim spells it out in this column:
    ..I've been told by more than one source in the industry that HBO's remaining budget is relatively miniscule and they really don't have that many dates left for the rest of 2009 (didn't it just turn June?)...
    Then, Kim puts it all in context:
    ...[It] means a couple of things from this vantage point: first, Showtime, which has been laying low recently, is in a pretty good position the rest of the calendar year to pick up some solid fights for a decent price tag. Secondly, fighters who are looking to perform a second and third team [sic?] this year better have promoters who are willing to be creative and look for opportunities to get them assignments, above and beyond just begging HBO for dates. In other words, they need to be promoters.

    Also, they have to be realistic about the money that is available to them at this point in time.As for those small pay-per-view shows (or big ones for that matter) that all of you hate, well, it might be the only avenue in which to see many of your favorite fighters the rest of the year.
    One has to wonder how this came to be, if true, and I don't doubt that it is. HBO just turned down Wladimir Klitschko-Ruslan Chageav for the legitimate heavyweight championship of the world June 20, and on some levels, the move is totally defensible. There's approximately a 100 percent chance that fight sucks, and haven't we all be complaining about HBO televising Klitschko fights that suck? But the explicit reason HBO gave for saying "no" is that it wanted to save money for later in the year in case the Klitschko-David Haye fight returns, a fight that is a more appealing style clash. HBO has also said "no" to a few other fights fans were wanting, explicitly for money reasons, among them Tomasz Adamek-Bernard Hopkins for the cruiserweight championship (HBO has said it would prefer to broadcast that fight in 2010 because of the strain it would put on the 2009 budget). Therefore, the budget woes appear very real, and its effect is tangible -- we, the HBO subscribers who are boxing fans, don't get to see some fights we might like to see.

    I think we all know HBO has been airing more desirable fights in 2009, at more reasonable prices than in the past, and they're too be commended for it. But how could they have dug themselves a hole like this, this fast? I think you have to look at some fights for which they paid far too much, for starters. HBO may have improved in budget management, but it hasn't been perfect, that's for sure.

    The network shelled out $6.5 million combined for the Paul Williams-Winky Wright middleweight clash and the rematch between light heavyweights Chad Dawson and Antonio Tarver. Williams-Wright was worth broadcasting, but not at that price -- reportedly, Wright had HBO over the barrel for that bout since they'd promised him some dates and kept pushing him back -- and Dawson-Tarver II wasn't worth broadcasting at all, but HBO apparently felt (wrongly) that it was the only way to get Dawson to move from Showtime to HBO. Then, the network shelled out a reported $15 million to lure Floyd Mayweather, Jr. back into the ring in a fight on July 18 that most consider a mismatch against Juan Manuel Marquez. I don't deny the economic value Mayweather brings to the sport, but is it $15 million worth for this one fight, more than the network has paid any fighter this year? Especially when $200,000 more could have made Yuriorkis Gamboa-Celestino Caballero at featherweight happen (Showtime passed on the fight over that disputed gulf in price)? And these are just the cases we know about.

    The economy is no doubt to blame for some of this. But poor planning by HBO and some poor decisions on how it spent its money also appear to account for a good deal of it.

    My hope is that the first option -- Showtime picking up more fights, boxers adjusting their expectations for how much money they deserve -- is the way things go because of HBO's budget hole, because I'm not crazy about spending an extra $50 or $100 a month as a result of Wright and Mayweather getting overpaid.
    yeah, they definitely paid too much for some fights.

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      #12
      The only issue with Showtime is it doesn't have the subscribers HBO has overall which in the end is what counts.

      Showtime may be putting on really good fights, but when you think of High Marquee fights, HBO has always been the network.

      Showtime as a network sucks overall, look past the Boxing programs. Look at HBO's overall line-up with original shows and look at Showtimes. No contest. I just think this is putting pressure on the match makers to make the fights that are worth televising. Though many of you are hard to the core Boxing fans, trust me when I tell you I'll be out partying somewhere in Midtown Manhatten or in Brooklyn over watching Klitschko vs Chagaev. Just being real.

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        #13
        Originally posted by dans01234
        Versus needs to take this oppurtunity and give us some fights on free tv.
        What the hell have they been doing lately, anyway? I haven't watched a fight on there in a while.

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          #14
          Originally posted by letsgobrady
          the ricky hatton- manny pacquiao ppv probably didn't do as good as expected and bein that hbo never said what the numbers were you could never know and the dawson-tarver fight was a fight not worth payin for
          I believe they did around 900k PPV sales alone. That number isnt bad at all.

          What people need to also realize is that not every big fight is going to make 2.4 Mill or what have you, but it doesn't make that fight any less exciting than one that did make 2.4 Mill (which we have seen doesn't at all gaurantee excitement)

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            #15
            they really need to stop this bull****,

            **** HBO, sure there the best at showing boxing, and i love the commentators, but now they dont have money because of bull**** deals, so now there gonna make more PPV, and deny alot of fights, im gonna have to listen to the idiots on shotime.

            they should jus get boxing on regular TV, like Versus, and ESPN,
            the **** would be better for the sport.

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              #16
              Originally posted by portuge puncher
              they really need to stop this bull****,

              **** HBO, sure there the best at showing boxing, and i love the commentators, but now they dont have money because of bull**** deals, so now there gonna make more PPV, and deny alot of fights, im gonna have to listen to the idiots on shotime.

              they should jus get boxing on regular TV, like Versus, and ESPN,
              the **** would be better for the sport.
              Unfortunately, the networks like ESPN and Versus aren't going to pay Floyd or Pacquiao $____________ to fight, that's just the reality of it. I'm in favor of having more general Boxing on regular TV, but in the age of PPV and people who demand high purses, you can't blame the networks, blame the guy asking for $20 Mill up front.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Ravishing
                I believe they did around 900k PPV sales alone. That number isnt bad at all.

                What people need to also realize is that not every big fight is going to make 2.4 Mill or what have you, but it doesn't make that fight any less exciting than one that did make 2.4 Mill (which we have seen doesn't at all gaurantee excitement)

                hbo doesn't make money off excitement they make money off of viewers and ticket sales so if a fight does 2.4 borin or not it's still a good thing for hbo

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Ravishing
                  Unfortunately, the networks like ESPN and Versus aren't going to pay Floyd or Pacquiao $____________ to fight, that's just the reality of it. I'm in favor of having more general Boxing on regular TV, but in the age of PPV and people who demand high purses, you can't blame the networks, blame the guy asking for $20 Mill up front.
                  true.
                  i know that fighters need to get paid an ****, but the purses that are like 10 million dollers should only be givin to like HUGE as fights, like floyd vs manny, they shouldent be givin it to floyd,, jus to come out of retirement and fight JMM, gimmie a motha ****in break.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by letsgobrady
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                    hbo doesn't make money off excitement they make money off of viewers and ticket sales so if a fight does 2.4 borin or not it's still a good thing for hbo
                    Right, but the point is that the matches they've spent Millions on in hopes that people would flock to buy the next ones aren't always the ones that provide people who drop $50 the entertainment that'll make them buy another PPV when the time comes.

                    So the question is, do you blame HBO for dishing out the money for these fights, or are they just giving these fighters the money because that's all that's there to be made?

                    I don't think the entire blame should be put on HBO.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by portuge puncher
                      true.
                      i know that fighters need to get paid an ****, but the purses that are like 10 million dollers should only be givin to like HUGE as fights, like floyd vs manny, they shouldent be givin it to floyd,, jus to come out of retirement and fight JMM, gimmie a motha ****in break.
                      That's the point

                      Considering today there are more quality fighters than actual PPV stars in Boxing, I think this is the right time to start making these PPV events filled with quality fights or double main events. Give us more than 1 reason to drop $50 on a PPV.

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