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  • mrpain81
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    #41
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    Originally posted by mrpain81
    Comparing the HBO PPV numbers to the UFC PPV numbers is the wrong formula on judging how healthy each sport is, people look at these numbers and automatically assume "Boxing is Dying" "We need to fix Boxing" "OMG"

    Lets break this down just to show how healthy the sports really are.

    One sport is MMA

    One sport Boxing

    MMA has had 3 major organizations die the past 2 years and that's not counting Bodogfights,
    Hardcore Championship Fighting soon to be Dream.

    IFL -

    The IFL was a MMA org that was founded March, 2005, in a very short time they were able to secure a deal with Fox Sports. Corporate sponsors such as Microsoft, Suzuki and Coca-Cola sign on, in November 2006 The company goes public. December 2007 "60 Minutes" prominently features IFL. Shortly after, its stock peaks at $17. March of 2007 MyNetworkTV begins screening IFL fights, June 2007 IFL shares fall to $1.

    December 2007 IFL's contract with MyNetworkTV ends. June 2008 IFL cancels an August event at the Izod Center, saying the company can't afford to stage it. The CEO says the league is looking for a buyer or partner.

    Oct 2008 the IFL sells for $650,000 - IFL DEAD

    PrideFC -

    PRIDE Fighting Championships was formed in 1997,they held more than sixty mixed martial arts events. During its ten years of operation, Pride was broadcast in 41 countries worldwide. Pride still holds the record for largest crowd for a MMA event at Tokyo National Stadium 91,107 in attendance.

    On June 5, 2006, Fuji Network announced that they were terminating their television contract with PRIDE Fighting Championships effective immediately due to a breach of contract, According to Fightopinion.com and a Japanese magazine called Shukan Gendai, Pride has been run and owned by the Yakuza(Japanese Mob) for some time.

    The owners of the UFC bought pride in March 2007 for a reported $70 million with the intentions of having another MMA brand in Japan, after failing to secure a TV deal in Japan, the new pride owner(Lorenzo Fertitta) was forced to shut down the company in October 2007. They fired the remaining 20 employees in Japan and closed it's offices. The UFC owners ended up paying $70 million for fighter contracts and a video library. - Pride Dead

    Elite XC -

    Elite Xtreme Combat was founded as a partnership between Showtime Networks Inc. and ProElite, Inc. Their first major event was in February, 2007, 1 year later it was reported that EliteXC had reached an agreement with CBS to broadcast EliteXC shows on prime time. The first show May 31, 2008 on CBS drew the highest ratings in the history of MMA in north america, it peaked at 6.5 million viewers watching the main event with Kimbo Slice against James Thompson. That week they ended up second in most watched sport shows on Television, the second Elite XC show on CBS on July, 26 was not what CBS was expecting. The ratings were down 40% from the first show, rumor were rampant that the company was hemorrhaging money but they still had Kimbo Slice so the next show had to be a blockbuster. October 4 was the next show and they scheduled Kimbo against well known 44 year old 1 - 7 in his last 8 fights Ken Shamrock, the plan an easy win for Kimbo huge ratings, sounds great. The day of the fight Shamrock pulls out with a cut and isn't allowed to fight, Kimbo has to face late sub and subsequently gets ko'd in 10 seconds. The ratings ended up being great but after the fight there were allegations of pay offs to keep the fight standing, The Florida state athletic commission starts an investigation to look into fight fixing. On October 21 it was reported that Elite XC would close it's doors by the end of the week, it was reported that in it's 2 years of existence the company had lost $55million . -Elite XC Dead

    Boxing

    The claims of boxing's death are greatly exaggerated, you will not be able to find a time when there has been this much boxing accessible to the general public.

    Network TV

    Telefutura(soon to be shifted to Azteca America)
    Telemundo

    Basic Cable

    ESPN Friday night fights
    (9 months out of the year)
    Versus - Fight Night
    Fox Sports Net- will begin airing notable overseas title bouts on a tape-delay basis about once per month as part of "Best Damn Sports Show Period."
    ESPN Classic - Boxing every night
    Golden Boy Promotions is working on a deal for a monthly boxing program on basic cable to feature prospects.

    Premium Cable

    HBO Has a Boxing budget of $60 million a year, they had 20 shows this year not counting PPV.
    Showtime has a Boxing budget of $20 million a year, they had 24 cards this year non on PPV.

    All these different channels are pumping money into the Boxing economy, here in the US not counting PPV buys or live gate.

    Non Us Boxing networks


    UK Setanta
    UK Nuts.tv
    UK ITV
    UK Sky Sports
    UK BBC
    Germany ARD
    Germany ZDF
    Mexico TV Azteca
    Canada Super Channel
    Canada TSN


    Live Gate

    The Top grossing gate in the history of MMA

    CHUCK LIDDELL vs. TITO ORTIZ II
    12/30/06 $5,397,300

    Top Boxing gates of the last 2 years

    FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR vs. OSCAR DE LA HOYA
    05/05/07 $18,419,200

    Oscar De La Hoya vs Pacquiao
    12/6/08 $14,380,300

    Ricky Hatton vs Juan Lazcano
    5/24/08 $12,000,000

    JOE CALZAGHE vs. BERNARD HOPKINS
    04/19/08 $ 11,636,400

    FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR vs. RICKY HATTON
    12/08/07 $10,393,950


    Biggest one fight purse for each sport in 2008


    MMA

    Tim Sylvia - $800,000
    Andre Arlovski -$749,690
    Chuck Liddel l - $500,000
    Kimbo Slice - $500,000
    Brock Lesnar - $450,000
    Forrest Griffin - $310,000
    BJ Penn - $250,000
    Randy Couture - $250,000
    Anderson Silva - $200,000

    Boxing

    Oscar Delahoya - $24,000,000
    Felix Trinidad - $14,000,000
    Wladimir Klitschko - $12,000,000
    Manny Pacquiao - $11,000,000
    Joe Calzaghe - $10,000,000
    Roy Jones - $10,000,000
    Bernard Hopkins - $8,000,000
    Miguel Cotto - $7,000,000
    Kelly Pavlik - $3,000,000

    Which sport is dying again?? Boxing ain't going nowhere.

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    • glidesmack
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      #42
      muay thai may be more "complete" than boxing, but it's not better. neither is karate, neither is any other form of standup fighting. If you want to know how to fight, learn how to grapple, learn how to box. If you want to put on an event, consider banning grappling as it's less interesting to watch.

      Fedor and Arlovski are the prototypical MMA attractions. Both can genuinely fight, standing up or on the ground. Both tend to box. When one throws a flying knee, he tends to get knocked the **** out by the other.

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      • KING 2K10
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        #43
        Originally posted by mrpain81
        Here you go
        HAHA..This dude knows his ****!! I'm not even gonna bother sending you some of my weak green k..You're gettin' a gift, buddy...Great post.

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        • KING 2K10
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          #44
          Originally posted by king09
          HAHA..This dude knows his ****!! I'm not even gonna bother sending you some of my weak green k..You're gettin' a gift, buddy...Great post.
          Aghh..Of course all the gifts are out of stock..How in the hell can a E-gift go out of stock???

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          • The Gully Gad
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            #45
            I love both sports but my heart lies with boxing...

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            • RenovatioPR
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              #46
              Originally posted by glidesmack
              muay thai may be more "complete" than boxing, but it's not better. neither is karate, neither is any other form of standup fighting. If you want to know how to fight, learn how to grapple, learn how to box. If you want to put on an event, consider banning grappling as it's less interesting to watch.

              Fedor and Arlovski are the prototypical MMA attractions. Both can genuinely fight, standing up or on the ground. Both tend to box. When one throws a flying knee, he tends to get knocked the **** out by the other.
              I believe that it is not fair to put a Muai-thai/Thai-boxer/Kick-boxer ( same as the other 2 but without elbows) in a same ring with a boxer. Both have boxing gloves , similar weight divisions ( as far I know), and forget karate that is something way diferent, but the thai fighter will have a larger arsenal of tools to work with a boxer in both close (elbow) and long range combat(kicks), as we all know in this world anything can happen, but you have to admit the thai fighter has a better chance.

              I am not saying that one is beter than the other. they are just diferent. IMHO Boxing is a bigger venue since the arsenal is limited to punches that makes fighters have to polish and train harder since it is the only thing they have as offence, and that makes the sport more competetive and interesting.

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              • Patheticfraud?
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                #47
                MMA is the gayest thing on the planet. I wouldn't mind learning a few moves but I would never go through the gayness you have to go through to learn them.

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                • Kevin Malone
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                  #48
                  I can watch some MMA (I do watch a little) but I'm not a fan of it and I don't think I ever will be. I respect the athletes and the sport, it's just not something I care for (like soccer, tennis, etc.).

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                  • F l i c k e r
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by glidesmack
                    I'm glad to see that "****" doesn't get censored. Anyway, no one pays to see jiujitsu tournaments. I'm glad you brought up Royce, the first MMA champion. First of all, being the first doesn't mean anything. Second, what happened to Royce? As the sport evolved and guys learned stuff like takedown defense, he was forced to not only learn striking, but also take steroids. And he still lost.

                    Fact - without boxing, MMA is not a viable business. PEOPLE WON'T PAY TO SEE GRAPPLING - NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL.
                    Punching doesn't = Boxing.

                    Boxing has a certain science that goes with it. MMA has too small of gloves and too many other variables for boxing to work.

                    MMA fighters that rely on BOXING = Suck(Joe Stevenson, Joe Lauzon etc).

                    Its the truth. Chuck Liddell uses Hawaiin Kempo, Fedor uses Sambo, and once Arlovski began heavily using boxing he got KTFO...

                    Boxing doesn't = success in MMA. It doesn't work in MMA.

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                    • CaRnAgEViOLaToR
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                      #50
                      i LOVE boxing and like mma.

                      boxing is far more interesting and entertaining to me but that doesn't mean i wont watch mma. all this talk about boxing is dying is absolute BS.

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