Mayweather Contradicts Himself Badly (How can you defend him still?)

[cupocity303]

I will repeat myself...

I fully understand and dont' fall for Floyds mouth, you asked the question why do people listen to him. I just answered your question, it's because he's the loudest.

As far as what he says, I don't care, honestly I don't. It's the same reason I don't care what Arum, King or DLH says when it comes to promoting fights, that is their jobs.

The biggest problem I have with Floyd and why I have taken the "side" of Pac is because of the same question I ask all Floyd fans (not that you are one) and they can never answer.

Why should Manny submit to drug testing when there is no precedence to Manny ever doing steroids.

If Floyd wanted to fight him, he would have never started this BS. I understand having doubts about Mosley, a fighter who has had that history in his past but Manny? Why? It's because he just wants to be a ***, it's that simple. He wants to show Manny he has the bigger *** and he will set the rules but guess what, Manny doesn't need him.

So he's stuck where he is.

Here is the thing about Floyd and his psychology when it comes to Pacquiao.

Floyd based on previous history needs reassurance that he is superior to his opponents. With Gatti - whether it was for promotion or just for his own psychological boost of confidence, he made it clear that he was facing a Slow, flat footed, C-Level fighter.

With Judah - who was no Gatti, and was fast and hard puncher, he needed reassurance by repeating that Zab was a "Front-runner", someone who tires after 5 or 6 rounds, and that he will get him in the late rounds.

With Delahoya, he did the same thing. Questioning his Stamina.

He can't do any of that with Pacquiao. Pacquiao is NOT flat-footed. Pacquiao is NOT slow. Pacquiao is NOT a light puncher. And Pacquiao is NOT a "front-runner" who tired out in late rounds.

So that leaves him with questioning all of those abilities by hinting at PED's. The state of mind is that, nobody is as good as me, Floyd Mayweather. I'm the guy with the best "GOD GIVEN ABILITIES", i'm the Number 1 guy when it comes to "Hard work & Dedication", the guy with the best stamina.

Of course when he does get tired of talking about PED's, he does have a dig at Pac's previous losses which happened years ago for reassurance. The state of mind being, I'm undefeated, this guy is not, therefore I have to be better Right? But it's not working, he is showing signs of insecurity. And he is scared of possible blemish to his undefeated record. He is dying to get Pacquiao out of his way, whether it is to do it himself, or hoping that someone else does the work for him, like Mosley.

This is how he got Cotto out the way, when he was prime & undefeated. The state of mind after that being, "All these guys are beating each other, Mosley lost to Cotto, Cotto lost to Margarito, Margarito lost to Mosley, Williams lost, therefore I have to be the best right?".

[PinoyKiller]

Interesting........

Why should Floyd accept the "10 Million per pound penalty" when he never weighed over the 147 limit?

Yet Floyd accepted.

Why would Floyd say Manny is a midget, too small and easy to beat and not fight Manny over some drugs tests.

Just saying.

[PinoyKiller]

Why are you stating the obvious, rephrasing what I already said. Don't teach me about Hopkins, I know he is fast, just not the fastest. Good power punch, but not one of the biggest punches around. That's what I said, no need to rephrase it with bad grammar.



Yes but Hopkins is 46 and Floyd is only 32/33, we have yet to see how he will carry himself in the years to come, if he keeps fighting that is.

If he is competing at a world class level at age 40, I'll retract my statements in this thread and admit I was wrong about him. But I doubt it.

You said Hopkin's does what he does without being great at anything which is true, but he has everything. He is gifted with a great chin, been taught that philly style, had the best trainers, had some smaller opponents, and faced some guys that he should be beating on paper.

Is Hopkin's smarter than Floyd and why? Wht oes Hopkin's do in the ring that makes him smarter, if he is in your opinion?

Why are you using age when we are talking about what the boxer can do today?

Hopkin's is still one of the fastest at 175. Possibly Chad Dawson is faster.
He still has good condition.
He still has a good chin.
He has a great trainer and conditioning coach, and is backed by the 2nd biggest promoter in the world.

Hopkin's may have been called out by Pscal, but he jumped at it while he ignored the faster, and at the time, regarded the bigger threat in Dawson. In temrs of style, Dawson is more dangerous.

[PinoyKiller]

Anyway can you name a top 10 list of who is smart in the ring please.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Interesting........

Why should Floyd accept the "10 Million per pound penalty" when he never weighed over the 147 limit?

Yet Floyd accepted.

Didn't Floyd go over the catch weight he and JMM agreed to? So there is precedence there, see the difference?

I will repeat myself,

About this specific fight so much **** has been said by both sides that I don't see how you find so much fault with one person but whatever to each his own.

I answered it very clearly, because Floyd demanded tests that have never been done in pro boxing. What's wrong with the urine test in place?

Again, arguing in circles. The bottom line is this fight would have been done if Floyd didn't come with the steroid thing, that's the single biggest obstacle in the way of this fight. Who put that obstacle there? Floyd, so it's only natural for me to blame him. If it was Manny, I would do the same in a second...BELIEVE THAT.

[PinoyKiller]

Floyd is a nitwit, it is what it is. He needs ghost writers to prep him with talking points, that he doesn't even execute properly when interviewed. When he goes off, using his own thoughts, he comes off as irrational and contradictory.

He is not even a smart fighter, it's a overrated claim. Fighters who study history and taped of past and present fighters are smart. What he does is use reflexes and impulse to adjust in fights with a boxing style his father drilled into him since early age. Without daddy, where would he be? Deep, deep inside, he rather be a Rap Artist or Celebrity who gets paid for doing nothing like Paris Hilton. Roy Jones is pretty much the same, both have daddy issues because Dad made them go to the gym and train when they were young. When all little RJJ wanted to do is play basketball and record Rap songs. Well he got to do some of that in his prime, and he got away with it too due to extraordinary abilities.

Overrated, perhaps, but he are the smartest in your top ten.

The part where you said he is not even a smart fighter is the key here. Rephrase it.

[cupocity303]

You said Hopkin's does what he does without being great at anything which is true, but he has everything. He is gifted with a great chin, been taught that philly style, had the best trainers, had some smaller opponents, and faced some guys that he should be beating on paper.

Is Hopkin's smarter than Floyd and why? Wht oes Hopkin's do in the ring that makes him smarter, if he is in your opinion?

There is nothing eye-catching that he does that makes him look smarter than Floyd. I already explained, his background and his approach to studying fighters from the past and tapes of opponents, is what makes him smarter.

Floyd came up the right way in boxing. Started at young age, went though the Amateur system, went to the Olympics. Hopkins had a bit of boxing experience, and went to Prison. This is where most guys are done and doomed. He came out and never came back, instead transformed himself into a Great fighter.

Great trainers? Yea he has Richardson now- who appears to be a great communicator at wordplay, but I wouldn't classify that as having the "best trainers". Most great fighters get money thrown at them after the Olympics. Promoters sponsor them and pay for their training camp and hire better trainers. Hopkins didn't have this coming up. He is a independent, street smart, crafty guy, the way he presents himself in interviews reflects those smarts. He came up pretty much on his own.

The way Floyd presents himself, reflects that he might be a Michael Jackson Candy land, irrational person. Yes MJ was great at what he does, might even be classified as Genius of our time in Music. Yet ironically, another guy who got pushed into that line of work by Daddy.

[The Gambler1981]

Didn't Floyd go over the catch weight he and JMM agreed to? So there is precedence there, see the difference?



I answered it very clearly, because Floyd demanded tests that have never been done in pro boxing. What's wrong with the urine test in place?

Again, arguing in circles. The bottom line is this fight would have been done if Floyd didn't come with the steroid thing, that's the single biggest obstacle in the way of this fight. Who put that obstacle there? Floyd, so it's only natural for me to blame him. If it was Manny, I would do the same in a second...BELIEVE THAT.

The JMM thing, what did Floyd and his team say in the whole build up "This is a welter weight fight", if you didn't pay attention that is on you. JMM knew the deal and wanted to see Floyd at his best.

Yes they have been done in boxing before, see Tyson-Holyfield or Universum in Germany~

It is about a decade behind the times is what is wrong with it~ and I have no issue with a fighter wanting better testing because no one else is going to ask for it and you have to look out for number 1.

The fight would have been done if Manny didn't flip the fuck out also.


So once again,

About this specific fight so much shit has been said by both sides that I don't see how you find so much fault with one person but whatever to each his own.

[jtiger777]

yeah the guy is insane.... now what?

[jtiger777]

The JMM thing, what did Floyd and his team say in the whole build up "This is a welter weight fight", if you didn't pay attention that is on you. JMM knew the deal and wanted to see Floyd at his best.

Yes they have been done in boxing before, see Tyson-Holyfield or Universum in Germany~

It is about a decade behind the times is what is wrong with it~ and I have no issue with a fighter wanting better testing because no one else is going to ask for it and you have to look out for number 1.

The fight would have been done if Manny didn't flip the fuck out also.


So once again,

About this specific fight so much shit has been said by both sides that I don't see how you find so much fault with one person but whatever to each his own.

i just dont understand why these people think floyd is the only guy to ever ask for extra testing??????????