Rate Juan Manuel Marquez's Resume

[shogunn]

Like I said before...the best thing on Marquez' resume is a loss and a Draw to Manny. And for that, there's no way he should be above Manny in P4P rankings. Its crazy when I hear people say JMM should be #1 P4P, doesnt make sense at all. In all likely hood, take those fights away from Marquez, he wouldnt be top 10. Manny without it would still be P4P.

[Equinox]

hes a good little boxer thats a warrior. tune in on july 18th if you want to watch a great fight.

[trainhard_187]

Like I said before...the best thing on Marquez' resume is a loss and a Draw to Manny. And for that, there's no way he should be above Manny in P4P rankings. Its crazy when I hear people say JMM should be #1 P4P, doesnt make sense at all. In all likely hood, take those fights away from Marquez, he wouldnt be top 10. Manny without it would still be P4P.

Thats a million and one % true right there. His close fights with Pac is why he gets so much recognition. Other then that all the other big names where either old or "C" fighters.

[Zarco]

Like I said before...the best thing on Marquez' resume is a loss and a Draw to Manny. And for that, there's no way he should be above Manny in P4P rankings. Its crazy when I hear people say JMM should be #1 P4P, doesnt make sense at all. In all likely hood, take those fights away from Marquez, he wouldnt be top 10. Manny without it would still be P4P.

lol. your telling me that no body would notice his skills if he hadnt fought manny? wins over barrera, juarez, casamayor, and a candidate for fight of the year with juan diaz would not get him in the top ten huh? no one would have been aware of his amazing tactical skills, his counter punching, his warrior heart if it wasnt for manny? ivan calderon is on the p4p list and nobody even knows him, yet alone people he has beat, paul williams is on the list, chad dawson is on the list, rafel marquez and israel vasquez were on the list, but juan manuel marquez would not be on it huh?

[trainhard_187]

lol. your telling me that no body would notice his skills if he hadnt fought manny? wins over barrera, juarez, casamayor, and a candidate for fight of the year with juan diaz would not get him in the top ten huh? no one would have been aware of his amazing tactical skills, his counter punching, his warrior heart if it wasnt for manny? ivan calderon is on the p4p list and nobody even knows him, yet alone people he has beat, paul williams is on the list, chad dawson is on the list, rafel marquez and israel vasquez were on the list, but juan manuel marquez would not be on it huh?

I think Marquez would still be on the Top 10 if he never fought Pacquiao no doubt about that but I dont think he would be #2 if he never fought Pacquiao. Pacquiao makes Marquez look good and vice versa.

[Zarco]

Thats a million and one % true right there. His close fights with Pac is why he gets so much recognition. Other then that all the other big names where either old or "C" fighters.

marquez does get recognition from his pac fights, but doesent pac get recognition from them as well? yea pac would still be a mega star after his win over de la hoya even with out marquez on his resume good for him. but dude no one is saying that marquez would be a ***ing mega star with out pac. i dont know why you are trying to say that marquez would be an unknow with out pac. im sure Golden Boy Promotions would be having him fight on espn for his next fight right?

Other then that all the other big names where either old or "C" fighters.
dont tell me that you think the morales rematches, the barrera rematch, and the de la hoya he fought were all against good versions? dont tell me that you think hatton was an A class fighter?

[Zarco]

I think Marquez would still be on the Top 10 if he never fought Pacquiao no doubt about that but I dont think he would be #2 if he never fought Pacquiao. Pacquiao makes Marquez look good and vice versa.

i know you are not dumb, ive seen you write well, so as of today, knowing that marquez would still be show casing his skills on hbo, and his resume being the same but with out pac, who would you have above marquez on the p4p list at #2? back on 07, when marquez didnt even have the second pac fight, casamayor, or diaz, floyd mayweather said that marquez was right behind him in the p4p list.

[El Jesus]

I think he has a good resume as well. And i think he should be in the HOF. I just dont think he will be a 1st ballot HOF'er unless he pulls miracles out of his hat in his next couple of fights.

And the fact that he can fight at the elite level at this age is a bit deceiving because he was largely inactive in his late 20s which kept him fresh.

You must not know much about the hall of fame do you. Nor do you know very much about marquez except what you googled.

Marquez was on the short end of the stick, by stick i mean the one that basically ended with guys like Morales, Barrera and other traditional mexican greats who basically got all of the attention he didint get because Marquez was exclusively a counterpuncher who sat back and waited during fights. When marquez had to settle for fights against guys like victor polo and such, nobody cared much about him, he was always respected, but he didint get handed oppurtunities mostlybecause of his style.

Marquez was a hall of fame lock probably the moment he went to war with barrera and really showed and proved that he wanted to have a more fan friendly fighting style. He also fought RockY Jaurez in this exact same way. Marquez really didint change it up until he fought Jimrex Jaca, it was then, along with the decline overall of the mexican stars near his division, that more people began paying attention to him. But those following the sport have always known who he is. Most people thought his brother was the superior fighter, but in recent years, its definately been marquez.

The hall of fame features guys who aint even close to marquez, yet they get in anyway. I like how you say "first ballot" like this is Canton, its easy to get in the boxing hall of fame because of the terrible voting system

[trainhard_187]

marquez does get recognition from his pac fights, but doesent pac get recognition from them as well? yea pac would still be a mega star after his win over de la hoya even with out marquez on his resume good for him. but dude no one is saying that marquez would be a ***ing mega star with out pac. i dont know why you are trying to say that marquez would be an unknow with out pac. im sure Golden Boy Promotions would be having him fight on espn for his next fight right?

Other then that all the other big names where either old or "C" fighters.
dont tell me that you think the morales rematches, the barrera rematch, and the de la hoya he fought were all against good versions? dont tell me that you think hatton was an A class fighter?

Delahoya was supposedly the bigger and more expereince guy prefight. The odds were against Pac as with the odds being against Marquez. Pac beat him into submission regardless what excuse you want to give DLH.

Hatton was the champ and have never been beat at 140. Pac KOed like a spar mate.

Pac pummeled MAB in 03 and captured a UD in 07. Marquez beat MAB after EM and Pac took the best out of him, but MAB was in that fight Marquez.
Pac fought EM 3x (Marquez none) Pummeled him twice.

Sure Marquez would still be carving his name for himself, I dont doubt that at all, but resumes speak for themselves and the bottom line is Pac resumes is far more better then Marquezs

Come on
3x Morales
2x Barrerra
1x DLH (Ones Sided Beatdown)
1x Hatton (2nd Round TKO)

There no argument about that unless your just a Pac hater.

[trainhard_187]

i know you are not dumb, ive seen you write well, so as of today, knowing that marquez would still be show casing his skills on hbo, and his resume being the same but with out pac, who would you have above marquez on the p4p list at #2? back on 07, when marquez didnt even have the second pac fight, casamayor, or diaz, floyd mayweather said that marquez was right behind him in the p4p list.

Floyd had Pac behind him in a interview when ask who's number 2. Right from the horses mouth himself. This was pre retirement.