Pacquiao refusing to fight Cotto at 145 and wants to fight at 140

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  • -EX-
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    #11
    Cotto stops Pac at 145-147...Pacquiao should wait for Floyd or fight Bradley or some1 else at 140.

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    • ИATAS
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      #12
      Originally posted by RodBarker
      Its irrelevant , when both step in the ring very close weight to each other , you need to grasp how manipulative the 30hr weigh-in and dehydration is , that weight is varible by as much as 10 pounds , follow a fighters actual step in fight weight across many divisions and it wont vary more than a few pounds .

      classic example what did Pac weigh Fighting JMM on the night 147

      What did Pac weigh fighting ODH on the night 147

      What did Pac weight fighting Hatton on the night 147

      Across three divisions 135 to 147 , he weighted the same actually fighting , now what does that say to you ?
      How much does cotto weigh on fight night?

      Just about everyone in the sport weighs more than the actual weight class they are fighting in. This is very typical ****.

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      • RodBarker
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        #13
        Originally posted by ИATAS206
        How much does cotto weigh on fight night?

        Just about everyone in the sport weighs more than the actual weight class they are fighting in. This is very typical ****.
        Around 158-160 ,,,, not everyone packs on big weight and that is the problem and its very misleading judging fighters actual ability based on there dehydrated weight , why not judge them on the actual weight they fight at .

        People need to grasp the consequences of the 30 hr weigh-in and how variable it is , boxing divisions were meant or devised for fighters to fight under that division limit , it was not ment so that fighters saying they are WW actually fight as a MW .




        " Jim Watt, former lightweight champion of the world turned television pundit is one of the most vocal supporters of same-day weighing in. He is one of a growing minority of people within the sport who feel that the dangers of having huge weight discrepancies between fighters are greater than the dangers of dehydration.

        Watt argues that too many fighters step off the scales to go on a 24-36 hour binge and pack on as much weight as possible before the first bell. He believes it is a case of a good theory making bad practice.

        "Don't get me wrong, the idea is good," said Watt when I telephoned him. "Many of the dangers of boxing have been linked with dehydration, and so giving fighters 24 hours to re-hydrate their bodies therefore must be a good idea on paper.

        "But the problem is that this time period is getting abused. Fighters who should not dream of fighting at certain weights are punishing their bodies, murdering themselves, to make the limit and then rely on this period of up to 36 hours to get back up to something like normal again.

        "If they had to weigh in on the day of the fight, and if they wanted to fight with any sort of strength, they would be forced to fight at a more healthy weight for their bodies. This 24-36 hour period is giving fighters a lot of incentive to fight at the wrong weight."

        And the dangers are exacerbated when only one fighter packs in the pounds. "When someone fights for a title at 12 stone [168lbs], that's exactly what he's supposed to be - a 12 stone fighter. He's not supposed to be a bloody cruiserweight. It's totally unfair to those boxing at a more natural weight - the ones who aren't taking these silly chances with their health. Sometimes these guys are giving away a full stone in weight and I don't need to say that's dangerous. They are at a massive disadvantage. Essentially these fellows are punished for been sensible and abiding by the rules."

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          #14
          Originally posted by RodBarker
          Its irrelevant , when both step in the ring very close weight to each other , you need to grasp how manipulative the 30hr weigh-in and dehydration is , that weight is varible by as much as 10 pounds , follow a fighters actual step in fight weight across many divisions and it wont vary more than a few pounds .

          classic example what did Pac weigh Fighting JMM on the night 147

          What did Pac weigh fighting ODH on the night 147

          What did Pac weight fighting Hatton on the night 147

          Across three divisions 135 to 147 , he weighted the same actually fighting , now what does that say to you ?

          Are you going to address this or ignore the facts as usual , I can give you other examples in Williams and Hopkins even Floyd and ODH , real weight is what you fight at not some variable concoction of dehydration that is manipulated to effectively cheat inside the rules !
          5) Cotto is a MW on fight night and Pac is a WW on fight night. IS THAT FAIR???

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            #15
            Originally posted by Jabrony
            Lets talk about how Pacman is refusing to fight Cotto at 145. Cotto is giving him a weight that is fair and a weight Manny made to fight Oscar De La Hoya fight. But no the dude and his camp wants Cotto (a natural weterweight) to go down to 140 and fight him. WTF? The last time Cotto had a fight at 140 was 2006 and he had problems getting to that weight.


            The fight at 145 is fair.
            what's the girl in your avatar's name?

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              #16
              Originally posted by josenoway
              because team pac knows (just like everybody else) that 145lb cotto is a way different beast than a 140lb cotto. Heck, Miguel cant even make 140, he just about dies when he tries, his body has outgrown that weight. Its not physically possible. Team Pac knows this.
              this is why they're going to be successful moving up in weight. they've got a powerful rank with that #1 p4p status, and can call shots. telling people to move down in weight, and their opponent be somewhat weight drained and unable to fully compete, thus guaranteeing a win against any reputable opponents in the future.

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              • MakeDamnSure
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                #17
                People forget that Pac's official weigh in against Oscar was 143 pounds. Paquioao is the face of boxing. Why would he choose Cotto's terms when he was coming off a KO?

                People should remember that Pac was at 143 not at 147.

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                • James 420
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                  #18
                  Are these guys *****g on 10-15 lbs in muscle in 30 hrs, hell no, its mostly water weight.The problem with same day weigh in and fighting is the dehydration of the fluid around your brain.I'll bet anyone the guy who puts on more weight after the weigh in was more dehydrated than the other one.I do agree that boxers should fight closer to their walk around weight.I also think there should be an age limit, so I'm a little over the top in safety for the boxers.

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                  • Iceta
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                    #19
                    If this is true it does seem a little unfair to Cotto, but if it was at 140 at least it'd be for a linear championship. And if Cotto won at that weight then that would be his first legit title. Cotto shouldn't have to drain all that weight though. Pac wants fights with drained zombies it seems like.

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                    • Roxas
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                      #20
                      at 140 no way Cotto will win he'll be too drained Pacman and Team know this....luckily Cotto has enough intelligence to avoid such suicidal ******ity....

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