Greb vs. Robinson PFP

[glidesmack]

Greb is on pretty much every top ten PFP all time list ever. If you can read his record on boxrec without ****ting yourself congratulations.

Did I mention he fought most of his career completely blind in one eye and half blind in the other?

Let me rephrase the question - three quarters blind harry greb vs sugar ray robinson.

[TheGreatA]

You could make the case that Greb was better than Robinson pound for pound, he had a great resume and beat several heavyweights. You could also say that Greb beats him head-to-head since Greb usually fought at around 168 lbs while Robinson's prime was at 147. Greb also presents problems for Robinson stylistically with his fast swarming attack, even if he was not quite as strong as LaMotta. It should not be forgotten however that great boxers such as Tunney, Loughran, Gibbons and O'Dowd gave many problems to Greb.

The big problem with rating Harry Greb is that there is no available film of him. It's tough to say how he could have done against other greats based on a couple of clips of him sparring and throwing punches as well as the newspaper reports that exist of his fights.

[JAB5239]

That was NOT a prime Robinson.

So what is the best middleweight version of Robinson than? The Fullmer fight where he ko'd him from the back foot? The last fight with LaMotta? I don't think the welterweight version would be big enough to contend with Greb, but thats just my opinion.

[TheGreatA]

So what is the best middleweight version of Robinson than? The Fullmer fight where he ko'd him from the back foot? The last fight with LaMotta? I don't think the welterweight version would be big enough to contend with Greb, but thats just my opinion.

I would say the Robinson who fought LaMotta for the sixth time. He was 29 years old, moved well and unleashed combination after combination on a defenseless LaMotta in the later rounds of the fight.

[glidesmack]

It drives me crazy when people say Ray was at his best at welterweight. He was a total freak at welterweight with his height, power, speed, and ability. At middleweight he loses the massive height advantage and is therefore slightly less dominant but he's at his best at middleweight. You can't say a guy peaks before he's fully grown, and ray was fully grown fighting at 1 ****ing 60.

[JAB5239]

It drives me crazy when people say Ray was at his best at welterweight. He was a total freak at welterweight with his height, power, speed, and ability. At middleweight he loses the massive height advantage and is therefore slightly less dominant but he's at his best at middleweight. You can't say a guy peaks before he's fully grown, and ray was fully grown fighting at 1 ****ing 60.

Ray didn't become welterweight champ till he was 29. I think he was fully grown my friend.

[JAB5239]

I would say the Robinson who fought LaMotta for the sixth time. He was 29 years old, moved well and unleashed combination after combination on a defenseless LaMotta in the later rounds of the fight.

Im going to play devils advocate here.....

But this was also a weight drained LaMotta who never again fought at middleweight.

[TheGreatA]

Im going to play devils advocate here.....

But this was also a weight drained LaMotta who never again fought at middleweight.

True but LaMotta put up a great effort nonetheless. Sugar Ray also looked great in other fights of this period.

[glidesmack]

Ray didn't become welterweight champ till he was 29. I think he was fully grown my friend.

God damnit he's not a ****ing welterweight. I don't care how old he was, he was ripped at middleweight he grew into it.

[TheGreatA]

God damnit he's not a ****ing welterweight. I don't care how old he was, he was ripped at middleweight he grew into it.

Robinson regularly weighed around 155 lbs at middleweight.

There was not a notable difference in size when he fought at welterweight:



At middleweight (weighing 154):