Tyson VS Vitali Klitschko

[PittyPat]

Are you ****ing kidding me? Klitchko has never been behind on the scorecards, ever. And you're picking ****ing TYSON to decision the guy? You seriously need to get a goddamned grip on reality.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. How about you calm the fuck down?

What I'm saying is that, out of all the people Vitali could've faced in his career, a prime Tyson might just as well have been one to edge up ahead on scorecards if the fight went the distance. The most genuinely dangerous fighters Vitali has ever faced were Lennox and Sanders. They were the ones giving him the most trouble (the latter not on scorecards, but due to pressure and hard punches).

Add Tyson to that small mix, and I think he too would able to push him to the limits because of his intensity. He'd be using up all his workrate early on to steal rounds and look good for the judges, but then Vitali would make him slow right down in the middle rounds and keep him at bay. At the very end, Tyson might be able to get a spurt on and snatch the last rounds by swinging wildly and hoping something lands.

That's how I see the fight playing out, but I'm definitely not saying that's how it absolutely would happen. So get your own grip and look at things from a more objective angle next time.

[Stickman]

Gentlemen, please, PLEASE, pause a moment to remove Tyson's penis from your throats and think about what you're actually suggesting, here, and think about how the fight would actually play out, round by round, in your little heads. What in the hell makes any of you think that Tyson could even manage to do such a simple thing as getting past Klitchko's left, much less manage to land anything notable once he got inside?

Doesn't anybody actually know anything about this sport anymore?

[PittyPat]

Gentlemen, please, PLEASE, pause a moment to remove Tyson's penis from your throats

No Tyson fan here. I'm usually quite critical of his career because of how many times he lost, how he lost, and the fact that he was KTFO a good few times. Legendary, sure, but people really do hype him up disproportionately. Save your rage for those folks.

What in the hell makes any of you think that Tyson could even manage to do such a simple thing as getting past Klitchko's left, much less manage to land anything notable once he got inside?

If you're talking about lefts, I think Wlad would do a far better job than bigger bro. But then, I tend to be in the minority in the belief that Wlad would actually beat Vitali.

And Sanders seemed to get past both brothers' lefts just fine, although he obviously had to use his noggin as a punchbag to do so when it came to Vitali...

[Stickman]

Buddy, Tyson was 5'10" (some say he was 5'11", we'll go with that), had something like an 8" reach disadvantage, and those are just the physical disadvantages, but they're enough. Tyson has to be inside to win, Klitchko is known for never letting anyone get inside, and has historically been able to easily deal with shorter fighters.

Lewis, Ali, and maybe a couple of other tall fighters with speed and skill might have been able to get a decision win over Klitchko, but considering that Lewis was actually behind on the cards at the time of the stoppage in their fight, we know how that one probably would've gone. Against Ali, I truly think that he would've won a decision over Vitali (only in his prime), provided he never slowed down and kept his jab flying.

I'm not trying to say Vitali is the most highly skilled heavyweight ever, but with his size, combined with his natural predatory instinct, and his highly intellectual style in the ring, he'd be an extremely difficult challenge even for the best history has to offer....Tyson certainly would've posed no problem at all.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. How about you calm the fuck down?

What I'm saying is that, out of all the people Vitali could've faced in his career, a prime Tyson might just as well have been one to edge up ahead on scorecards if the fight went the distance. The most genuinely dangerous fighters Vitali has ever faced were Lennox and Sanders. They were the ones giving him the most trouble (the latter not on scorecards, but due to pressure and hard punches).

Add Tyson to that small mix, and I think he too would able to push him to the limits because of his intensity. He'd be using up all his workrate early on to steal rounds and look good for the judges, but then Vitali would make him slow right down in the middle rounds and keep him at bay. At the very end, Tyson might've been able to get a spurt on and snatch the last rounds by swinging wildly and hoping something lands.

That's how I see the fight playing out, but I'm definitely not saying that's it absolutely would happen. So get your own grip and look at things from a more objective angle next time.

[smellmycheese]

Surely the results in boxing matches recently has taught us that we can't make predictions of this nature.
Unfortunately many questions will remain over the careers of the Klitschko brothers due to the pathetic level of opposition available.
Hopefully Haye will answer some of these questions on June 20th


But Tyson would def smash him!

[Stickman]

No Tyson fan here. I'm usually quite critical of his career because of how many times he lost, how he lost, and the fact that he was KTFO a good few times. Legendary, sure, but people really do hype him up disproportionately. Save your rage for those folks.

I appreciate your taking that post in the manner it was meant (jokingly) and not being insulted by it.

If you're talking about lefts, I think Wlad would do a far better job than bigger bro. But then, I tend to be in the minority in the belief that Wlad would actually beat Vitali.

Better jab, yes, but he hasn't learned the "fighting tall" style that his brother has, which is why he had so much trouble in the first rounds against Peter, where Vitali barely noticed he was even in the ring.

And Sanders seemed to get past both brothers' lefts just fine, although he obviously had to use his noggin as a punchbag to do so when it came to Vitali...

Sanders was 6'6". That's why he had far less trouble getting to Wlad, but even being nearly the same size as Klitchko, he only managed to land that freight train left of his 5 or 6 times. Which brings me to another point: Tyson had power, but wasn't even in the same ballpark as the likes of Sanders and Lewis, and Klitchko managed to take flush shots from both without even being seriously hurt.

[glidesmack]

double ko by decision in 3.

[PittyPat]

Tyson has to be inside to win

Definitely.

Klitchko is known for never letting anyone get inside

Except Lennox and Sanders, and look what happened there. They gave him a lot of trouble, regardless of his skills or whatever else. That left of his wasn't keeping them away, and he was getting clocked as a result.

and has historically been able to easily deal with shorter fighters.

That's true for useless ****bags like Sam Peter, but a prime Tyson was a whole different animal when it came to fighting on the inside. Vitali has never faced anyone with the sheer aggression that Tyson brought to the ring.

That's the only reason I'm thinking Tyson would get rounds early on, and possibly right at the end. He'd be mauling him in spots, with the middle rounds being Vitali's territory. And it's not as if Vitali hasn't been tired before - Lennox had him holding on for dear life in that 6th round.

[PittyPat]

Better jab, yes, but he hasn't learned the "fighting tall" style that his brother has, which is why he had so much trouble in the first rounds against Peter, where Vitali barely noticed he was even in the ring.

Yeah, Wlad seems to be slightly more crouchy in the ring (especially around the time he faced Sanders). His legs kinda look ****ed at times, although his back is straight as well, whereas Vitali always has his back straight and legs spread apart in that weird and unique way - almost like a heavyweight Prince Naz!

Whether it actually makes a different I can't say, but I just find Wlad more fun to watch. I can't really explain it. People always harp on about how Vitali is exciting but Wlad is boring - I see it the other way around. :shk1:

Tyson had power, but wasn't even in the same ballpark as the likes of Sanders and Lewis, and Klitchko managed to take flush shots from both without even being seriously hurt.

Not up their level, for sure, but enough power to give him trouble. Lennox and Sanders' power was more of a Foreman-like battering ram thing, whilst Tyson's was more explosive and quick.

I think it's more a case of differences in delivering the punch, as opposed to how much power those guys had - which was pretty fuckin sick, regardless. It's just a shame Vitali wasn't around the top a few years earlier than he was.

[J.Dempsey]

Sorry but Tyson in his prime (without Don king/that robin *****/n his original trainers etc) destroys any HW..

we'll never see someone who can match his speed/power and ferocity...he had a different demeanour to the sport/fighting, not like all these money grabbing boxers out now..