What it's like to box Wladimir Klitschko

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  • The Hammer
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    What it's like to box Wladimir Klitschko

    Interesting article on Wladimir Klitschko:

    Published by Scoop Malinowski on May 18th, 2009

    In this day and age there aren’t any heavyweight contenders with the marquee name recognition like “Foreman”, “Frazier” and “Norton” for Wladimir Klitschko to defeat and acquire the deserved accolades.

    So boxing has to suffice with the best of today, like Ibragimov, Byrd, Brewster, and Austin, etc. to measure how good Klitschko really is. “He’s an all around athlete. A great athlete, a better athlete than what I had anticipated when I got in there with him,” said Ray Austin, who was defeated in two rounds by ‘Dr. Steelhammer’ in March 2007. “He’s got everything a heavyweight is supposed to have - he’s strong, he’s got mobility, movement, good jab. But the key thing was for me to go in there and take it to him and make him fight and don’t let him box and get in his comfort zone. That was the plan - to break his rhythm.”

    Austin says it wasn’t his=2 0night. “Basically, in that situation, my mind wasn’t even there. Wasn’t nothing coming together for me that night,” says Austin.”Nothing. And it ain’t no certain excuse. It happens like that sometimes. Some nights is your’s, some nights it’s not. That was the wrong night for me not to c lick in [laughs].”

    Klitschko surprised Austin with his athleticism. “He was kind of fast on his feet. His mobile movement from the right to the left was better than I anticipated,” Austin admitted. “Cause when I first went in there, I cut the left off immediately and he darted back the other way. And he did it so swiftly and fast. Like, this is what he do, he didn’t have no problem. When a guy is used to going a certain way - like you got a guy who you push and he’s not used to going backwards, he’s kind of clumsy when you push him back. You go, Uh oh, I kinda found something. But when I cut the left off, he did it like that’s how he was practicing. He just moved with no problems, like this is what I do. I said, Oh okay, this guy isn’t gonna stand still. He came to fight [laughs]. Because I watched the Sam Peter fight and Sam seemed like he caught up with him a little more. Even though he boxed Sam pretty good, Sam was able to catch up with him and land a couple of punches. And that’s what I was looking to do.”

    With three straight comeback20wins under his belt, the WBA #7 ranked Austin still hopes to challenge for a world _title_ and when asked if he’d like a rematch, Austin responded,”If he’ll rematch me, I’ll definitely appreciate that. If not, I’ll target his brother. I see a lot of things with his brother I know I can expose. I’m not20gonna say what it is - if I get the fight then he work on that. I saw him fight Peter. He has a fight coming up, I’m gonna check to see if he’s still doing the same things. Right now, the heavyweight I want to fight is him - Vitali.”

    When asked if he thought Wladimir, in his current form, was an “all-time great”, Austin agreed, “Yeah, I think he’s one of the greatest so far. He hasn’t really truly been tested, he’s been in a couple of wars, he won a few, lost a few but he still got to prove himself. Long time to come to prove himself. But so far, out here right now, he’s probably one of the best.”

    Phil Jackson was stopped in the second round against a 23-year-old Wladimir Klitschko in 1999 and later sparred with him. “The experience that I got from Wladimir - he’s a tough cookie. He had those losses, I don’t know what happened to him. To me, Wladimir - he’s a good fighter. Something went wrong, somewhere down the line. To me, I knew he could still be the champ because he has that power. He has that power.” That’s not the only asset Klitschko owns, says Jackson, who sparred with both brothers in Atlantic City before Wladimir boxed Ray Mercer in 2002. “He has an excellent jab. He’s not a mover like his brother - his brother moves extremely well. Wladimir wears you down with that power.” Jackson, who lost a world _title_ bid to Lennox Lewis by KO 8 in 2004, says Klitschko hit harder than Lewis. “Klitschko had more power, most definitely. In both hands. You could feel it. Put it this way - if it would have been Wladimir in there when his brother fought Lennox Lewis, I think he would have dropped Lennox Lewis. I honestly do. I think he would have dropped Lennox Lewis.”

    Jackson sees a difference in Klitschko’s _style_ now compared to 1999. “Back then, he just don’t give a damn. He just came forward. He just throw ‘em at you. Now he boxes more, he boxes smarter now and waits for the right time to use the power.”

    Chris Byrd clashed twice with Klitschko in 2000 and 2006 and struggled mightily in both duels. “Wladimir beat me the first time, I just didn’t feel right. The second fight, I can be very honest - I was never in the fight. He fought a great fight. He made some changes to his _style_. He got my respect for beating Sam Peter. I got hit with all kinds of punches. It wasn’t the fight we trained for in sparring. Everything felt great going in but when you get out th ere and start getting hit and certain things don’t work for you…I thank the Lord I had the chance to have a rematch with Wladimir Klitschko. He’s such a big, strong, good boxer. I take nothing away from him.”

    Employing an ill-conceived strategy in the rematch let Byrd down. “It was knuckle-headed of me to think I was big ger and stronger than him,” said Byrd. “He’s 241 pounds of muscle and I was 212 pounds of bulked up muscle, not even for real muscle. So I felt I had to go in there and push him around. And it didn’t work out. It was a horrid showing, getting hit with all kinds of punches. I was pretty sharp in sparring, I was pretty aggressive, but Wladimir Klitschko is a big, strong guy, he’s talented. He knows how to box.”

    When asked what type of _style_ could offset and possibly defeat Klitschko, Byrd replied, “I would say be a big, strong guy and press him forward. But you gotta move the head. I didn’t move my head. You gotta give him angles because he’s so tall and shooting down and he’s taking that half-step back and he’s getting his punches off. It’s hard to fight him.”

    Lamon Brewster also boxed Klitschko twice, in 2004 and 2007. Brewster famously won the first battle but came up short in the rematch. An improved left jab was the vital difference, according to Brewster. “He was able to maintain the jab, whereas the l ast time I knew his jab would be busy but I was able to get past it. In the second fight his jab was better, he had an awesome jab and I tried to get past it but I couldn’t. So then he was accumulating punches. I knew, at some point, I couldn’t keep getting hit like that.”

    “I felt I was the same, relentless Lamon Brewster in both fights but sometimes, somebody has the better night. Unlike crying wolf or claiming poison, you just admit when someone’s better than you that night. He was better that night. And I might be better the next night.”

    If Foreman, Frazier and Norton were around today, they might find themselves similarly troubled to figure out how to beat 33-year-old Wladimir Klitschko, who with seven wins in a row in world _title_ fights, is proving himself to be a dominant force - with his prime years ahead. “From my point of view, I can say I feel like a fish in the water,” the IBF/WBO/IBO champs says. “I feel very confident. I feel that I can be very consistent in my performance. And, especially, I love what I do. When I go in the ring I’m happy about it. I’m not struggling, I’m not surviving, I don’t need to do it. I do it because I love it and I want it.”
    Last edited by The Hammer; 05-20-2009, 09:53 AM.
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    Originally posted by ~Tunney
    Perhaps the man who did the best to compete with the current edition of Klitschko was Sultan Ibragimov last year. Though it was a dull and uneven contest, Ibragimov achieved a moral victory of sorts, by lasting the distance - and averting a hellacious beating.
    I think that was more due to Wladimir's reluctance to throw the right hand. When he did, Sultan was in big trouble. Wladimir was never even in trouble once during all 12 rounds.

    I wish that he and the Russian Bigfoot would fight. As much as I don't like Wladimir, seeing him knock out Valuev (or Chagaev for that matter) would bring a smile to my face.

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    • paul750
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      Well Mercer said Lewis hit harder. Jackson says otherwise. Boxers have a tendancy to talk a load of rubbish at times.

      All I know is, that despite Klitschko's speed and power, he's never knocked out an opponent like Lewis vs Rahman II. Klitschko punches hard, but Lewis was more devastating IMO. Klitschko needs to start coming out firing, if he wants his fights to be watchable.

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        “He’s got everything a heavyweight is supposed to have - he’s strong, he’s got mobility, movement, good jab. But the key thing was for me to go in there and take it to him and make him fight and don’t let him box and get in his comfort zone. That was the plan - to break his rhythm.”
        How did Austin come to that conclusion after only 2 rounds

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        • Chunk..
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          It'll be nice to see Wlad being put under sustained pressure in his next fight. Haye is capable of doing that, and then we'll see what Wlad is made of.

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            #6
            Originally posted by paul750
            Well Mercer said Lewis hit harder. Jackson says otherwise. Boxers have a tendancy to talk a load of rubbish at times.
            Mercer said in that same interview he thought Wladimir would defeat Lewis.

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            • dmaclv
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              Look at what Ibragimov said...."When I tried to go forward, he’d go back. If I did get inside, he’d hold me. I couldn’t fight him. It wasn’t that I took his punches, or his speed or power - it was his height and it was a very hard technical fight." Exactly why everybody don't like him, think he borin, and want Haye to win. Ibragimov says it perfectly, it's not entertainin it's just technical. Then on top of his unfavorable fightin style, dude has to go and be a b.i.t.ch bout the rematch clauses? My points presented to y'all for not likin him.

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                Originally posted by dmaclv
                Look at what Ibragimov said...."When I tried to go forward, he’d go back. If I did get inside, he’d hold me. I couldn’t fight him. It wasn’t that I took his punches, or his speed or power - it was his height and it was a very hard technical fight." Exactly why everybody don't like him, think he borin, and want Haye to win. Ibragimov says it perfectly, it's not entertainin it's just technical. Then on top of his unfavorable fightin style, dude has to go and be a b.i.t.ch bout the rematch clauses? My points presented to y'all for not likin him.
                Sultan Ibragimov is the boring one. All he was doing was trying to survive, he didn't do anything in the fight.

                His fight with Shannon Briggs had even less action the the fight with Wlad. Watch that fight, then you'll see who's fault it was.

                Watch Wlad's fights with Jefferson, Bostice, Barrett, Moli, Wolfgramme, Brock, etc. He scored beautiful KOs in all those fights.

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                  Originally posted by ~Tunney
                  Sultan Ibragimov is the boring one. All he was doing was trying to survive, he didn't do anything in the fight.

                  His fight with Shannon Briggs had even less action the the fight with Wlad. Watch that fight, then you'll see who's fault it was.
                  Didn't Wlad NOT throw a right hand till the 3/4 round.

                  Thompson and Rahman were also really ****ty boring fights was that Ibragimovs fault, they got KO'd, but more out of exhaustion, they fell over.

                  Your talking some biased bull**** son.

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                    Originally posted by ~Tunney
                    Sultan Ibragimov is the boring ***** of a boxer. All he was doing was trying to survive, he didn't do anything in the fight.

                    His fight with Shannon Briggs had even less action the the fight with Wlad. Watch that fight, then you'll see who's fault it was.


                    There is some truth to that. Both fighters have to be willing to fight in order to make an exciting fight.

                    Same happened with Tyson when he fought Bone Crusher Smith...although Smith was the much bigger man so it's a bit harder for someone like Tyson to dispose of such a big man that plays defense and clinch.

                    I think people just expected Wlad, being 6'6, 240 pounds, to bulldoze over the much smaller Sultan. But Wlad wasn't going to take the risk just in case Sultan opens up while he {Wlad} is punching for the KO. Pre-Stewart Wlad I think would have broke him down but that Wlad also risked wearing himself out and was more vulnerable to taken a shot.
                    He is a new improved fighter Wlad is and what comes with it is a fighter looking to Win first.

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