When will lomachenko go pro??

[Banderivets]

really?

I hope that's not the case. it'd be ridiculous... why on earth wait for a featherweight to be age 25 to turn pro. That seems dumb. Fighters in lower weights classes have shorter careers...

Fighting at the Olympics and winning gold medals for the country gives these guys a lot.

Turn pro and what? Go through the ranks making how much?

As an olympics gold medalist the government takes care of him. He got his 100 000$, a new car and an apartment or two, the government pays for all his traning trips etc...Its a career, he's well supported has all the benefits etc...

The kid is only 20...

But Id love to see him turn pro now.......but what I wrote above were his reasons for not turning pro in an interview I read.

[Mikhnienko]

boxing trainers above a certian weightclass don't all of a sudden become bereft of technical knowledge. I still hold the opinion he's better off with a eastern trainer.

[Mikhnienko]

Fighting at the Olympics and winning gold medals for the country gives these guys a lot.

Turn pro and what? Go through the ranks making how much?

As an olympics gold medalist the government takes care of him. He got his 100 000$, a new car and an apartment or two, the government pays for all his traning trips etc...Its a career, he's well supported has all the benefits etc...

The kid is only 20...

But Id love to see him turn pro now.......but what I wrote above were his reasons for not turning pro in an interview I read.

and turning pro at 24 still gives him plenty of time, alot of guys value this over a pro career, Chakhiev the heavyweight gold medalist is another example

[wmute]

vic went back to his old amateur trainer from armenia

yes, so... what's your point?

I said that fighters in smaller weight classes would do better with american trainers, I want to know how a reply about the lack of success of heavyweights and cruiserweights on one hand and guys with australian trainers on the other has *anything* to do with what I said.

[wmute]

Fighting at the Olympics and winning gold medals for the country gives these guys a lot.

Turn pro and what? Go through the ranks making how much?

As an olympics gold medalist the government takes care of him. He got his 100 000$, a new car and an apartment or two, the government pays for all his traning trips etc...Its a career, he's well supported has all the benefits etc...

The kid is only 20...

But Id love to see him turn pro now.......but what I wrote above were his reasons for not turning pro in an interview I read.

yeah, i can see that, plus winning two gold medals is a rare achievement. My concern is that a featherweight is not a heavyweight... they have shorter careers.

[wmute]

and turning pro at 24 still gives him plenty of time, alot of guys value this over a pro career, Chakhiev the heavyweight gold medalist is another example

Heavyweights can be in their prime or close to it at 35, many (not all luckily) featherweights are shot or close to it at age 35.

Lower weight classes fighters usually reach their physical peak between 25 and 30, I don't see turning pro at 24 a very good idea in view of that

[Benny Leonard]

boxing trainers above a certian weightclass don't all of a sudden become bereft of technical knowledge. I still hold the opinion he's better off with a eastern trainer.

I actually think so too. Americans don't have the great many trainers like they did in the past. Only a select few now. And then you have to find a trainer that can match your mind-set and understand your fighting style. And then you have the influx of fighters where they live so their sparring each other may start to be favored although you would have to mix in styles as well.

The trainers that train them in the amateurs need to start going pro with their fighters in order to adjust to the Pro level so they should just start now with a fighter they trained. Smart people will adjust fast so there shouldn't be worries. I'm not sure what the deal with them is with the Country Athletic program but maybe if there is a contract in place they can ask to go pro for the sake of their fighters in order to boost their position in the Pro ranks. This way, you have coaches that stay in the amateur program and run it like a Farm system and then pass them on to the Pro trainers later on. And Coaches could work their way up if they have that "special" fighter they trained from the start. Because if you take to many of the good coaches away from the amateur program you are destined to destroy the amateur program that is set up.


For Tszyu:
Tszyu going to Australia in my opinion was a mistake as far as boxing was concerned. Made a lot of money and seems to live a great life in Australia and is popular, but I think he would have been better off from a fighter's stand-point if he was in America and around that scene.
He couldn't stay in Russia so that was a given.
One big reason why he did well as an amateur (besides the training) was the activity level was a high. And then you have the HUNGER which always seemed to make him better as seen with his matches against Judah and Mitchell with being the underdog in those fights. What you didn't want with him is to allow him to get to settled in thinking he was the best and not the underdog.

Why the American scene at the time for Tszyu: Better training, fighters can stay more active against better competition; better sparring partners; and being close to the scene may motivate you to stay active, stay hungry, continue to get better and want to fight the best.
But I could be wrong.

I'm not really sure who Tszyu's original trainers were but Tszyu was much better as an amateur and as an early pro. He seemed to just run off whatever he had learned in Russia when he turned pro and slowly declined in some ways.
After he lost to Phillips, he had to revaluate his career and readjust and get back on track. I don't think he was that focused going into that fight or at least to over-confident with his power and chin now that led him away from his overall skills he had as an amateur and early pro when he was right off the boat.

[wmute]

Well something just downed on me.

These fighters save themselves a few years of fighting without headgear and with smaller gloves. I have nothing but respect for the desire of saving your brain cells.

As a fan, I 'd be better off if Lomashenko turned pro earlier, but it's his brain, not mine, so...

[wmute]

boxing trainers above a certian weightclass don't all of a sudden become bereft of technical knowledge. I still hold the opinion he's better off with a eastern trainer.

yes, you might have noticed that fighters in the lower weight classes and fighters in the higher weight classes fight different though...

[wmute]

I actually think so too. Americans don't have the great many trainers like they did in the past. Only a select few now. And then you have to find a trainer that can match your mind-set and understand your fighting style. And then you have the influx of fighters where they live so their sparring each other may start to be favored although you would have to mix in styles as well.

That's actually great point for sticking with your trainer. Hell, even living in a place where you feel in your home is relevant.

I am not sure I followed the rest of your post correctly. I will give you my thought on the topic. Right now eastern european countries are weak in terms of pro boxing trainers (and that's only natural since there was no pro boxing), I think you are suggesting how they should go about creating those pro trainers.

My point is that for now pro training is quite weak so a young fighter is better off by getting an american trainer (provided he can adapt well of course).