The Klitschkos are great for boxing!

[Benny Leonard]

People like that will say ANYTHING, use any excuse, rather than give a European boxer the slightest bit of credit.

Tunney you are very Bias.

I give credit to Europeans so you don't no what you are talking about.

You never back up anything you claim with what I said. You just talk ****.

[The Hammer]

What excuses?

This has already been discussed about boxing in America.

You wouldn't no because you don't READ or pay attention to many factors that influence things in life.

Things change. They changed in America and it's a different way of life.

Many documentaries on this as well. They used to show on ESPN classics.

Go look things up for yourself with the way things changed if you don't live here or can't talk to Old-Timers.

I don't believe the excuses I read from American sportswriters like Eric Raskin who will NEVER write anything positive about a European boxer.

[Benny Leonard]

I don't believe the excuses I read from American sportswriters who will NEVER write anything positive about a European boxer.

Forget the Sports-Writers. Do your own research and start form the beginning of the 20th century in America. Talk to Old Timers. Look at statistics. Look at how the country has changed.

There are many factors for the decline of boxing in America.

Pre World War II Boxing vs. Post-War II Boxing.


REASONS...not "Excuses."

[Benny Leonard]

You also have what Joe Calzaghe said:

"I think boxing is a dying sport. Globally — in America for instance — you've got UFC, which has taken a lot off boxing, business-wise,'' Calzaghe said, referring to the mixed martial arts Ultimate Fighting Championship.

"There is too much politics in boxing, too many belts and too many champions, which dilutes real champions like myself,'' he said. "There are four world champions in each division and it's bad because there are no stars any more. It's a big problem.''

http://www.cagepotato.com/joe-calzaghe-sees-decline-boxing-rise-mma

What MMA has done, UFC for instance, is to have a more organized sport. It's still bs in my opinion because it is controlled by Dana White, but those athletes that participate in sports that never had a road to make big money in, like wrestlers and Martial Artists...now have an opportunity in UFC/MMA.

Unlike Boxing, at least if you are in wrestling in High-School you have a chance to get a scholarship to college. It's the same with Football and other sports. And education is valued in the States because it can lead to long-term financial stability. Boxing in America doesn't allow this. It's a huge gamble. And in today's America where they are few gyms and few quality trainers and still have the corruption and you may need money to start a Pro career...other options are more luring.

One thing about Dana White actually is that he is planning (if not already doing it) to create MMA schools so he can bring in the young kids.

[portuge puncher]

It seems your agenda is to subtly discredit European fighters every chance you get, while praising American boxers. I notice some American sportswriters like Michael Rosenthal do the same...

Isn't that a silly agenda? Why not try to be fair and objective?

not everyone in america think that way.
some great european fighters that desurve credit: marcel cerdan, ken bucanan, ricky hatton, lennox lewis, ex.

and thats just a few. but dont say americans discredit european fighters, because we dont.

[The Hammer]

Forget the Sports-Writers. Do your own research and start form the beginning of the 20th century in America. Talk to Old Timers. Look at statistics. Look at how the country has changed.

There are many factors for the decline of boxing in America.

Pre World War II Boxing vs. Post-War II Boxing.


REASONS...not "Excuses."

Excuses, which you prefer over the one thing you are psychologically unable to do: give a European fighter credit for being good.

I could make those same excuses for European fighters. They didn't have the numerous, excellent boxing gyms that the US had for many decades. In fact, the US still has an advantage, that's why people come over to the US to train.

It seems your agenda is to subtly discredit European fighters every chance you get, while praising American boxers. I notice some American sportswriters like Michael Rosenthal do the same...

Isn't that a silly agenda? Why not try to be fair and objective?

[The Hammer]

not everyone in america think that way.
some great european fighters that desurve credit: marcel cerdan, ken bucanan, ricky hatton, lennox lewis, ex.

and thats just a few. but dont say americans discredit european fighters, because we dont.

I know not all Americans think that way. Most of the writers right here on boxingscene are fair and objective.

Many commentators like Brian Kenny, Manny Steward and Jim Lampley are above such lame prejudices.

Others such as Teddy Atlas and Eric Raskin are ridiculously biased.

[Benny Leonard]

Excuses, which you prefer over the one thing you are psychologically unable to do: give a European fighter credit for being good.

I could make those same excuses for European fighters. They didn't have the numerous, excellent boxing gyms that the US had for many decades. In fact, the US still has an advantage, that's why people come over to the US to train.

It seems your agenda is to subtly discredit European fighters every chance you get, while praising American boxers. I notice some American sportswriters like Michael Rosenthal do the same...

Isn't that a silly agenda? Why not try to be fair and objective?

I gave Lewis credit...didn't I.

I gave Tszyu credit...didn't I.

I gave Calzaghe credit for his wins over Kessler and Lacey...didn't I.


Yes, this is very true. American Pre-World War II had all the opportunities in the sport of boxing because there were more gyms, more fighters, more opportunity to succeed. And even Post-World War II you still had such advantages. Even today with many other sports you see foreign born athletes train in the United States.
I never denied this because I know about it.

Even with Kostya Tszyu, one of my favorite fighters WHO YOU SEEM TO FORGET BECAUSE YOU ARE BIAS IN YOUR THINKING AND YOU ONLY PICK AND CHOOSE....had to make a choice with his career and went to Australia instead of staying in Russia that didn't allow Pro opportunity.

It's the same for education in a way. Despite the bs education system we have for poor-low Middle class families, our education from Upper Middle Class to Rich is still one of the best if not the best in the World. And we have more Colleges than any country in the World.

Go back to page 11 by the way and read my statement on AMERICAN HEAVYWEIGHTS.

[The Hammer]

Benny...

There are some talented fighters coming out of Europe, now that they have a better opportunity...do you agree?

Would you agree that Vasyl Lomachenko is very talented? Even Teddy Atlas had trouble denying that.

The Klitschkos deserve credit for being excellent boxers and elite heavyweights, not just limited big men like Julius Long, Tye Fields and Michael Grant, do you agree?

[Benny Leonard]

Benny...

There are some talented fighters coming out of Europe, now that they have a better opportunity...do you agree?

Would you agree that Vasyl Lomachenko is very talented? Even Teddy Atlas had trouble denying that.

The Klitschkos deserve credit for being excellent boxers and elite heavyweights, not just limited big men like Julius Long, Tye Fields and Michael Grant, do you agree?

Is that the Ukrainian boxer?

I watched the past Olympics and watched a number of the boxing matches and there were a few boxers I liked...and one was from the Ukraine that Teddy was raiving about that not only had great boxing skills but would make a great pro.

I posted before asking for the names of all the Top Ukrainian boxers because I think there were two of them I liked in particular but I couldn't remember their names.

American heavyweights suck....I said that on page 11.