Think about Haye's resume for one second...

[MANGLER]

So what? Let's just enjoy the fight when it happens. I think Wlad takes Haye out tho.

[beez721]

Amateur accomplishments dont mean anything in the pro game.... ask Audley Harrison

The truth is Haye over 22 fight achieved more than Wlad did over 22 fights. That is a FACT

I would sure hope so. the hwt div was tough back then while haye had a laughably easy cruiserweight division. if mac and old mormeck quality guys were heavyweight champs during wlads first 22 fights he'd have easily been champion

[beez721]

Mormeck was considered the no1 guy at cruiserweight he held the ring titles the linear title the WBA and WBC titles that was a very good win for Haye, Mormeck was the best cruiserweight around.

he was 36 yrs old and clearly on the down side and mormeck still almost managed to knock haye out

[Shattered Jaw]

No, Haye wasn't "unified" nor "undisputed" champ. He didn't even fight the top cruiserweights, namely Cunningham, Adamek and Jones.


Everyone he defeated except for Fragomeni had been stopped before. Mormeck had been stopped by Bell, Gurov was known for a notoriously delicate chin and had been stopped three times, and Maccarinelli is a tomato can with a china chin, KOed in his last fight bu the light-hitting Afolabi.

Haye's only good win is the smaller but durable Fragomeni.

LMFAO. WBC/WBA/WBO/Ring seems pretty damn unified to me! Haha.

Cunningham wouldn't have lasted 4 rounds with that chin of his. He's on the floor far more than Haye. As much as I love Adamek, he wouldn't beat Haye. He has a great chin but a few flush shots from the right hand and it would be all over. Haye has too much for Adamek, anyway, Haye HAD to move up... he couldn't make the weight anymore and Adamek had only just come up, he was noone in the Cruiserweight division. Don't even talk about Jones.

[Shattered Jaw]

he was 36 yrs old and clearly on the down side and mormeck still almost managed to knock haye out

No. Educate yourself before you type. Terrible, terrible post. One of the worst I have ever seen.

Mormeck was far from shot in that fight and when he did hit Haye (in the temple I think) with that overhand right, Haye slipped on the canvas and, while he was hurt, just took a knee after he struggled to get his balance again. Smart decision.

His knockout of Mormeck was BRUTAL.

[Jim Jeffries]

Amateur accomplishments dont mean anything in the pro game.... ask Audley Harrison

The truth is Haye over 22 fight achieved more than Wlad did over 22 fights. That is a FACT

Wlad's first 22 fights were over a 22 month span from ages 20 to 22.

Haye's first 22 over more than a 5 year span from ages 22 to 27.

So while that's a FACT, it doesn't mean much.

[Shattered Jaw]

You should also consider Wlad won the Gold Medal at the Olympics. Haye had a mediocre amateur record, Wlad had a great one.

As a pro, Wlad scored early KOs over virtually all his first 22 opponents. Unlike Haye, he wasn't stopped in any of those 22 fights, nor did he struggle in the slightest against any of them.

Being 6 Foot 7 and 240lbs also helps.

[Shattered Jaw]

Wlad's first 22 fights were over a 22 month span from ages 20 to 22.

Haye's first 22 over more than a 5 year span from ages 22 to 27.

So while that's a FACT, it doesn't mean much.

Lol. Haye doesn't really fight that much. He just seems to pick the right fights.

[DarchinyFAN]

Enzo Maccareneli & Giacobbe Fragomeni = the definition of paper champions, and whats worse Euro Paper Champions. To even bring them up in an attempt to make Haye's record a legit one for the championship is silly.

Mormeck is decent and was the recognized champ, but as far as recognized champs go he is nothing truly special.

People act like Haye cleaned out the CW division, and the truth is he didnt even come close.... He was not this dominant undisputed CW champion people say he is, so to even call him legit because of this is silly.

Guess what Lance Whitaker, Joe Mesi, Cliff Couser, Hasim Rahman & Nikolay Valuev have in common...... They have all beaten Monte Barret (and none have gotten a shot at Klitschko, except Rahman who got his shot as a fill in).

[Shattered Jaw]

Enzo Maccareneli & Giacobbe Fragomeni = the definition of paper champions, and whats worse Euro Paper Champions. To even bring them up in an attempt to make Haye's record a legit one for the championship is silly.

Mormeck is decent and was the recognized champ, but as far as recognized champs go he is nothing truly special.

People act like Haye cleaned out the CW division, and the truth is he didnt even come close.... He was not this dominant undisputed CW champion people say he is, so to even call him legit because of this is silly.

Guess what Lance Whitaker, Joe Mesi, Cliff Couser, Hasim Rahman & Nikolay Valuev have in common...... They have all beaten Monte Barret (and none have gotten a shot at Klitschko, except Rahman who got his shot as a fill in).

Oh, you mad!