Hatton Should Have Pulled Out From Pacquiao Fight?

[Dave Rado]

I'm not giving Floyd Senior any credit for Hatton's boxing ability in the Malignaggi fight. I've been a fan of Hatton's since 2004 and if you watch his older fights like the fight against Phillips or Tackie he clearly could box at the point and had a similar display in the Malignaggi fight.

My point was that after the Tzsyu fight he stopped fighting that way, and that he appeared to at least partially rediscover his old skills against Malignaggi. And whether you agree or not, the fact is that most people, including Hatton himself, did put that rediscovery of his old skills down to his teaming up with Floyd Snr.

He also looked much sharper against Malignaggi than he had against Lazcano, and again, even if you disagree with them, the fact is that most people, including Hatton, did put that down to his change of trainer.

Did Floyd Senior make any difference in Ricky Hatton? Not in my opinion. It's ultimately Ricky's fault for his performance in the end though, so not all blame is reserved for Mayweather. I would say Mayweather was more harm than good, though.

In the case of the Pac fight, he didn't even try to use Floyd's game plan - they'd been working on head movement, using the jab, and keeping his hands up (among other things), and he didn't even try to do any of those things, so I don't see how Mayweather Snr can be held even partly to blame, other than in the sense that he showed serious unprofessionalism by turning up late.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

i think ricky's demise was as crazy as it sounds,

he underestimated Pacquiao's power,speed, & skill.

Ever since he beat kostya, his ego got the better of him. Its exactly what bob arum was talking about;

Once a fighter becomes a star, they think they know everything & stop learning.

Thats exactly what happend to ricky. he thought he made it & knew everything after the kostya fight & decided to overpower & maul every opponent he's had ever since.

He forgot what brought him to the top.

[mrosborne]

My point was that after the Tzsyu fight he stopped fighting that way, and that he appeared to at least partially rediscover his old skills against Malignaggi. And whether you agree or not, the fact is that most people, including Hatton himself, did put that rediscovery of his old skills down to his teaming up with Floyd Snr.



In the case of the Pac fight, he didn't even try to use Floyd's game plan - they'd been working on head movement, using the jab, and keeping his hands up, and he didn't even try to do any of those things, so I don't see how Mayweather Snr can be held even partly to blame, other than in the sense that he showed serious unprofessionalism by turning up late.

Fair enough on both paragraphs. A rediscovery perhaps, but he didn't do any good judging from the performance by Hatton, which is admittedly Hatton's doing. He picked the wrong method of attacking Pacquiao, and fought the typical Hatton style but got reckless and paid for it. We can all agree on that.

[Dave Rado]

i think ricky's demise was as crazy as it sounds,

he underestimated Pacquiao's power,speed, & skill.

Ever since he beat kostya, his ego got the better of him. Its exactly what bob arum was talking about;

Once a fighter becomes a star, they think they know everything & stop learning.

Thats exactly what happend to ricky. he thought he made it & knew everything after the kostya fight & decided to overpower & maul every opponent he's had ever since.

He forgot what brought him to the top.

Fair enough on both paragraphs. A rediscovery perhaps, but he didn't do any good judging from the performance by Hatton, which is admittedly Hatton's doing. He picked the wrong method of attacking Pacquiao, and fought the typical Hatton style but got reckless and paid for it. We can all agree on that.

I agree with both posts.

And it really is crazy, because he seemed to have learned his lesson after the Floyd defeat, but obviously he hadn't.

[Jean28]

I hate cheap excuses like this one. Ricky could have had a bad camp, but that doesnt justify him just throwing himself into pacquiao and playing his game.

[hardboiled777]

Gimme a break!!! ANY real professional in any profession can handle outside influences overtaking their performance. If you can't that just means your not as good a professional as your peers. For example, the good teachers we had in our lives didn't let the politics of the school system and people interfere with their teaching ability. Most of us as children or adults are even aware of the crazy politics happening in the school system!! BUT the good teachers don't let that stop them from performing.

So stop making excuses for Hatton. He got destroyed by a far superior and consistent boxer who doesn't let outside influenced hurt his performance. Pacquioao has WAY more outside influences affecting his life than Hatton including the politics he's involved with in the Philippines, his music and stardom there, the addition of a new trainer, etc. So SHUTUP with you lame excuses. Hatton got beat and KTFO plain and simple.

[pugil1st]

That is the lamest, worst excuse ever! And to have your Daddy deliver it to the media qualifies Hatton as a punk. This dude's got excuses for everything: a better ref, a few more rounds, a bad camp. The truth is that he was overrated from the jump and when he got his shot, he failed miserably.

Hang'em up Rick. Only your beer drink'n, dart thrown'n country-men will buy your fights now.

[MaYaN_SuN]

According to father and trainer Ray Hatton, former champion Ricky Hatton should have withdrawn from his May 2 bout with Manny Pacquiao. Hatton was knocked out in two rounds. Ray says the training camp for the fight was so chaotic that Ricky should have pulled out and postponed the fight to another date. There were pre-fight rumors that trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr. was at odds with Ricky and assistant trainer Lee Beard. During a recent interview with BoxingScene.com, Beard denied that he and Ricky have issues with Mayweather. [details]

Please, Hatton only remained at the top of the 140 food chain out of sheer luck. I mean it sucks to see a ex-featherweight take him out I'm sure lol. But if it wasn't Manny it would have been any of these new kids comin up at 140.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Truly Great fighters find a way to win it.



(recent example: shane mosley vs antonio margarito. Mosley before facing welterweight monster margarito; finds out tony tried to use plaster, gets divorced from his wife, having problems w/ his dad/former trainer, 38 years old, nobody gave him a chance)



Lesser figthers masquerading as Great fighters find excuses.


(see: ricky hatton on his 2 loses(biased ref,wrong division,camp turmoil,lucky punch caught him) , vs lazcano(chest infection),collazo(too big, wrong division),urango (not feeling well).

[Pullcounter]

i think ricky's demise was as crazy as it sounds,

he underestimated Pacquiao's power,speed, & skill.

Ever since he beat kostya, his ego got the better of him. Its exactly what bob arum was talking about;

Once a fighter becomes a star, they think they know everything & stop learning.

Thats exactly what happend to ricky. he thought he made it & knew everything after the kostya fight & decided to overpower & maul every opponent he's had ever since.

He forgot what brought him to the top.

i got that feeling too. he was going into this fight way too over-confident