Bigger ***** move? floyd fighting JMM at 144 or Pac fighting Cotto at 144

[Benny Leonard]

we know the only reason floyd moved up to 147 was to get a fight w/ dlh.

until floyd can get back down to 140, he's a WW.

He is a WW. Why? because he can show up at 147 by fight-time. The rest, I'm unsure of.

Right now, Pac and Hatton for example are 140 pound Scale fighters; nothing more. Until they can show up at 140 pounds by fight-time, then that's what they are; Scale fighters.

[joseph5620]

Seriously Cotto won't get hurt by comming in at 144. For his last fight he came in at 146 and has come in to fights @145. what is 1-2 pound going to do compared to being 5-7 pounds disadvantaged. Pac will always fight as a jr. welterweight regardless of what weight is contracted.

Cotto has to work extremely hard to make 147. He walks around at 170. To say it "wont hurt him to come in at 144" is not true at all.

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jmm-floyd jr.

[Pullcounter]

He is a WW. Why? because he can show up at 147 by fight-time. The rest, I'm unsure of.

Right now, Pac and Hatton for example are 140 pound Scale fighters; nothing more. Until they can show up at 140 pounds by fight-time, then that's what they are; Scale fighters.

this is ******, we're working off 2 different definitions of weight.

anyways, if floyd can't make 140 lbs on the scale, he's the bigger fighter.

[baracuda]

cotto has fought at 140 before while jmm has'nt even fought above 135 so it's clear that pbf vs jmm is more of a ***** move for floyd!

[ThunderWolf]

what says you?....................poll to follow...........

I think Pac vs Cotto would be a fantastic fight. However, Cotto holds a minor belt so I think Pac should fight Mosley for the major belt+lineal title.

[FistoftheDallasStar]

The weigh-in and divisions are not an idication to the true size of a fighter ,, weigh-in weight wrong , it is not the true situation , how can you say a fighter is a bigger or smaller fighter when on fight night they weigh the same , the weight they fight at is their true weight not what they can weigh 30 hrs earlier , when evaluating a fighter this emphasis on weigh-in weight is ludicrous !!

Hatton fights Pac at jnr W and weighs 152 , Hatton fights Floyd at WW and weighs 152 , he fights KT Pauli and Castillo at 152 ,,,, Hatton was never beaten at Jnr W lol what a crock he got KOed twice .

Floyd fights Oscar at JM and weighs 148 while Oscar weighs 159 .

Manny fights JMM at jnr LW and weighs 147 and JMM weighs 144

Manny fights Oscar at WW and is 147 while Oscar is 145

JMM fights Casa and Diaz in a LW bout weighing 144

Williams fights Quintana at WW and is 164

Williams fights at MW and weighs 166 .

These are all fight night weights , what you really are stepping into the ring , so what does divisions and weigh-ins really tell you , not there true size thats obvious yet the fans and even the media ignore it , its like the actual weight a fighter is fighting dont matter in discussion I really cant get me head around that ,,,, like Hatton was never beat at Jr Welter before what a crock that is in the real fight , he was knocked out by Floyd weighing the same as he did for KT Castillo Pauli and Manny , another thread here about best weight and everybody quotes weigh-in weight how crazy is that when breaking a fighter down to what he really is the one time it counts , on fight night !

Great point and insight there RodBarker! Basically a fighter can make a weight one night and still revert to his natural weight 30 hours later.

[RodBarker]

Great point and insight there RodBarker! Basically a fighter can make a weight one night and still revert to his natural weight 30 hours later.

Yes ,,,,, the weigh-in is very manipulative by modern trainers and science , 30 hrs a lot can happen in 30 hrs , I could even take 1 litre of blood out and weigh-in 4lb lighter and put it back in 10 minutes later with no ill effect what so ever , believe me the weigh-in weight can be an ace up the sleeve . this is why more and more catchweight fights are being negotiated between the top guys because they know the way it works , Roach knows Cotto and Mosley are a lot bigger than Pac on fight night so he wants to draw them down abit , by getting them to a lower weigh-in weight he knows they would train that little bit smaller right through their camp or they will risk cutting too much right at the end if they train at a weight they normally do , Roach is playing to win and is a good trainer matching his fighter correctly , its very smart matching making , they play the hype but the top guys all know how it works behind the door .

JMM fights at 144 , and Floyd fights at 148 ,, this is real weight and their true size and they fight at or very near that weight even though its across 3 divisions , yes Floyd is a little bigger but its not that much , if you look at the actual fighting weight of the fighters in question you have two mixes ,, the 140 to 150 pounders , which is Hatton Floyd Pac JMM , there is only 6lb between top too bottom .

The other Mix is Cotto Mosley Williams Margo , these guys are between 155 and 170 + stepping in ,,,, anyone in either mix is a fair fight for another in that same mix biggest to smallest in the first group is Hatton vs JMM which would have a 6lb advantage to Hatton , Floyd has a 4 pound advantage to JMM , Floyd has 1 on Pac , all competitive fights , I guess thats why they are all fighting each other .

Same with the true welters they can fight each other and its not much between them , but one mix fight the other mix the smaller guy will be giving away around 12-16 lbs on fight night and thats asking alot from the little guy .

[Da Hammer]

Lets see Floyd making JMM a natural featherweight move up now from lightweight 8-9 pounds to WW or Pac possibly making Cotto just drop 3 pounds for the weigh in. By fightnight Cotto is gonna be around 160 which is the norm for his fights. So its no big damn deal. Answer is really easy!!

[RodBarker]

Lets see Floyd making JMM a natural featherweight move up now from lightweight 8-9 pounds to WW or Pac possibly making Cotto just drop 3 pounds for the weigh in. By fightnight Cotto is gonna be around 160 which is the norm for his fights. So its no big damn deal. Answer is really easy!!

Your natural featherweight steps into the ring at 144 fact , whether he weighing in a jnr lighweight fight or a jnr welter fight , he is what he is , how light the are 30 hrs earlier depends on how much water they can safely cut .

Either Floyd or Pac must give Cotto a lot more than what JMM has to give them , 4 times more !