Roach will only fight fighters that fight back?

[Benny Leonard]

yeah, but here's another perspective...

even if pac beats them at 142, they all have a built in excuse as to why they lost... it won't hurt there career too bad.

but if they lost to each other at 147, then that could really hurt their careers.

Most actually don't care about excuses or reasons...specifically the casual fan perspective.

Better to just fight healthy and feel confident with your ability.

Also, if you lose weight it can also destroy your body's equilibrium and why do that?

[Benny Leonard]

Well then it is Floyd who is going against the grain. They have long done away with the same day weigh in system as it was dangerous.

So stepping back and looking at it. Floyd has created his own weight class. he refuses to fight established welterweights but instead prefers to fight smaller guys who have come up near his weight range to give himself an advantage.

So according to this thread title, it says roach will only allow manny to fight fighters who fight back.

On the other hand Floyd will only fight the small, or the old and slow?

Like I said depending on what agenda someone has, they can spin it to make make someone look bad.

Yet some have the audacity to claim Roach and Manny are pulling a duck when the guy started out at 106lbs and is actually willing to step in the ring with Cotto. That is hypocrisy at a brand new level.

They are willing to step in with Cotto if he shows up unhealthy. At least Floyd gives you the option.


How is it an "advantage" if you are fighting guys your size for the exception of JMM (even though Floyd did start at 130 since you just used the "106" card where Manny started at 3 year old?

I wasn't a fan of him fighting Mitchell but Mitchell wasn't smaller. I wasn't a fan of him fighting Judah, but Judah wasn't smaller.

Hatton wasn't smaller either. Fight-time weight.

Not sure he could have fought Cotto because of Arum. Arum wanted to give him Margarito but Floyd didn't want that fight.....O$car was the bigger fight. Also the bigger fighter. And also a fight Freddie made Floyd move up in weight and picked his gloves for him..."Reyes" which he knows aren't such a good thing for a fighter like Floyd who has brittle hands and doesn't like "Reyes" gloves.


He wanted Shane and Shane turned him down.


But there is a picking and choosing...and I see your point. But my point still remains Freddie is far worse.

[rod_serrs]

If Ivan Calderon eats his way to 160, that doesn't make him a MW.

If Calderon can function properly and not have his skill diminished in any way by "eating" his way to 160 then by golly he'd be a MW. However we are not talking about a guy who ate his way up weight classes but a guy who over the course of 14 or so years has become naturally bigger and hasn't shown any diminishing power or speed en route to his current weight. If anything he's gotten better as he doesn't have to work so hard to make weight and requires less dehydration for weigh-ins. Much like PBF has been doing.

[FistoftheDallasStar]

It's funny how the Mayweather bandwagon unite for such utter bologna much like the bs that comes out of their fighters mouth. Roach will not hesitate to put up Pac against Floyd. DLH was too old to beat Mayweather if he was only 5 years younger at the time they fought he would have won. Pac has more offense than DLH so any logical person can see that he will land his share of puches on PBF. Even when running he will have a hard time against Manny. Just wait and see. Roach is just not willing to give in to Mayweathers demands. So he will go forward and fight another top fighter in the division in Cotto. Would Mayweather do this? HELL NO. You guys are so much on PBF nutz its amazing.

[FistoftheDallasStar]

Well then it is Floyd who is going against the grain. They have long done away with the same day weigh in system as it was dangerous.

So stepping back and looking at it. Floyd has created his own weight class. he refuses to fight established welterweights but instead prefers to fight smaller guys who have come up near his weight range to give himself an advantage.

So according to this thread title, it says roach will only allow manny to fight fighters who fight back.

On the other hand Floyd will only fight the small, or the old and slow?

Like I said depending on what agenda someone has, they can spin it to make make someone look bad.

Yet some have the audacity to claim Roach and Manny are pulling a duck when the guy started out at 106lbs and is actually willing to step in the ring with Cotto. That is hypocrisy at a brand new level.

Well put Deanrw! It's amazing to me how any boxing fan can overlook this...

[FistoftheDallasStar]

They are willing to step in with Cotto if he shows up unhealthy. At least Floyd gives you the option.


How is it an "advantage" if you are fighting guys your size for the exception of JMM (even though Floyd did start at 130 since you just used the "106" card where Manny started at 3 year old?

I wasn't a fan of him fighting Mitchell but Mitchell wasn't smaller. I wasn't a fan of him fighting Judah, but Judah wasn't smaller.

Hatton wasn't smaller either. Fight-time weight.

Not sure he could have fought Cotto because of Arum. Arum wanted to give him Margarito but Floyd didn't want that fight.....O$car was the bigger fight. Also the bigger fighter. And also a fight Freddie made Floyd move up in weight and picked his gloves for him..."Reyes" which he knows aren't such a good thing for a fighter like Floyd who has brittle hands and doesn't like "Reyes" gloves.


He wanted Shane and Shane turned him down.


But there is a picking and choosing...and I see your point. But my point still remains Freddie is far worse.

You guys need to get off the SSM turned him down bs because Mayweather was the last to turn him down, bro.

Keep making excuses to try and make PBF seem like he isn't picking on lighter weight fighters. Dude the proof is there in front of your own face. He would rather fight Marquez than face, Pac, Cotto, or Mosley, period. Pac saying he will fight Cotto next is telling everyone he is willing to face the best fighters out there. What kind of bs is saying that Roach would rather him face someone who will fight back. Come on now, this is boxing.

[Pullcounter]

Most actually don't care about excuses or reasons...specifically the casual fan perspective.

actually people make up excuses all the time

Better to just fight healthy and feel confident with your ability.

good point, so those WW should go fight other WWs.

Also, if you lose weight it can also destroy your body's equilibrium and why do that?

for the love of money

[Benny Leonard]

You guys need to get off the SSM turned him down bs because Mayweather was the last to turn him down, bro.

Keep making excuses to try and make PBF seem like he isn't picking on lighter weight fighters. Dude the proof is there in front of your own face. He would rather fight Marquez than face, Pac, Cotto, or Mosley, period. Pac saying he will fight Cotto next is telling everyone he is willing to face the best fighters out there. What kind of bs is saying that Roach would rather him face someone who will fight back. Come on now, this is boxing.

Ah, yeah, in a COME BACK fight situation. You can't stay off for 1 1/2 years then jump in with Sugar Shane Mosley. He said, not now.

He is fighting JMM because of Pac. I explained this in detail.

Pac saying he will fight a 142 version of Cotto is saying: I will fight you but first you will have to give me 5 pounds of blood.

Roach doesn't like Counter-punchers that can wait for the attack and give Manny trouble. He saw what JMM did with Pac.

[Benny Leonard]

Well put Deanrw! It's amazing to me how any boxing fan can overlook this...

You both do know that fighters still die, right? Boxing is dangerous.

Plus, there is a danger in letting someone rehydrate to a much higher weight than the division weight:

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[FistoftheDallasStar]

You both do know that fighters still die, right? Boxing is dangerous.

Plus, there is a danger in letting someone rehydrate to a much higher weight than the division weight:

Are you saying Mayweather is afraid of dieing in the ring?

These guys know the circumstances coming into each match. They are highly trained athletes who are the best at what they do. They were made to fight other fit boxers. This is what makes boxing what it was back in Gentleman Jim Corbett's time til today. Guys who don't fight the best don't deserve to be called the best.