Roach will only fight fighters that fight back?

[deanrw]

You can claim Roach plays the weight game, but so does Floyd's camp.

They are specifically targeting two Jr. Lightweights right now. One Masquerading as a lightweight and the other masquerading as a Jr welterweight.

Who is playing the weight game again?

It goes to show that you can spin this any way you want depending on your agenda doesn't it?

[Benny Leonard]

You can claim Roach plays the weight game, but so does Floyd's camp.

They are specifically targeting two Jr. Lightweights right now. One Masquerading as a lightweight and the other masquerading as a Jr welterweight.

Who is playing the weight game again?

It goes to show that you can spin this any way you want depending on your agenda doesn't it?

I'll give you JMM but not Pac. Pac is thick now and weighed 148 by fight-time. Hell, he was 152 at 6% bodyfat during the Oscar training according to Roach. That's not a small kid anymore. He had to leave 135/LW division because he showed up at 147 by fight-time against Diaz and Roach said Pac wouldn't fight there again.


However, it's still easier for a fighter to fight at a higher weight than to bring him down in weight since moving up allows you to pick what weight you want to show up at while losing weight forces you to decrease which can result in poor health.


And the reason why Floyd has to fight JMM is obvious: To get to Pac who has replaced his P4P status and outshined him in his wins against Oscar and Hatton. So he has to fight JMM for payback reasons.


And JMM publically called out Floyd. Floyd isn't going to be able to go down in weight to much...he doesn't like it.

[deanrw]

I'll give you JMM but not Pac. Pac is thick now and weighed 148 by fight-time. Hell, he was 152 at 6% bodyfat during the Oscar training according to Roach. That's not a small kid anymore.


However, it's still easier for a fighter to fight at a higher weight than to bring him down in weight since moving up allows you to pick what weight you want to show up at while losing weight forces you to decrease which can result in poor health.

Pac has filled out, but he did not outgrow Jr. Lightweight, he left it for greener pastures and then JMM followed him to do the same.

Just because pac has a good training regimen does not mean he is anywhere close to being natural at this weight. It was not a natural fill out or growth, it was a growth to capture more green.

So then you have Floyd targeting them. he knows he will have a natural height and reach advantage on both of them and be just as strong if not stronger. Floyd is not ****** and Roach is not a fool.

You really think it has something to do with P4P bull****? P4P crap is the imaginary figment of everyones imagination. What if it was Dawson who was P4P#1 right now or even Mosley? You think Floyd would target them?

I know he wouldn't

[OnePunch]

Keep believing that. There are still "reasons" to why someone wins. Many things can go into it.

Holmes beat Ali...no excuses, right?

And when Manny was KTFO twice...no excuses?

And McCall and Nielsen BEAT Holmes, right? lol

[Benny Leonard]

Pac has filled out, but he did not outgrow Jr. Lightweight, he left it for greener pastures and then JMM followed him to do the same.

Just because pac has a good training regimen does not mean he is anywhere close to being natural at this weight. It was not a natural fill out or growth, it will a growth to capture more green.

So then you have Floyd targeting them. he knows he will have a natural height and reach advantage on both of them and be just as strong if not stronger. Floyd is not ****** and Roach is not a fool.

So a Man that shows up at 147 is really a lightweight?

147 is around Floyd's fight-time weight.
Floyd even fought Judah at 146 on fight-night.

Listen to the interview:





Oscar was bigger than Floyd. He also was said to have blown-up in weight from 154, to 164+ while Floyd was around 150 give or take a pound.

Then there is Castillo in the first match who was said to be a WW by fight-time.

[Benny Leonard]

And McCall and Nielsen BEAT Holmes, right? lol

Are you playing along with me from what I was responding to or think this is my view with the "no excuses" bs???

I actually did make a thread a while back mocking the "no excuses" theory. Some didn't get it, but others did.

[deanrw]

So a Man that shows up at 147 is really a lightweight?

147 is around Floyd's fight-time weight.
Floyd even fought Judah at 146 on fight-night.

Listen to the interview:





Oscar was bigger than Floyd. He also was said to have blown-up in weight from 154, to 164+ while Floyd was around 150 give or take a pound.

Maybe he likes to eat and put on some fat? You just don't get it do you? That is bulk that Manny has put on. There is nothing natural about it.


As for Oscar, Floyd knew he was old and slow just like roach knew it. Step back and look at the big picture man.

[Pullcounter]

Everybody is different. MONEY is a big thing with fighters because the next fight could be their last...so the power of money lures them in.

Shane, Cotto, and Floyd...if you can get these three together, could just decide to fight each other in a round-robin sort of thing.

Pac can get JMM after Floyd is done with him. That is if Floyd beats him.


I'm not sure how far these fighters are willing to go down but if the price is right, they might cave.

Shane seems to NEED money; he just got divorced.

Cotto: wants a big Money fight

Floyd: Pac took his thunder.


Freddie will try to pull as many strings as he can



Freddie was with Osar when Floyd fought him and Floyd caved to all the demands because he wanted O$car badly.

so then why cry about freddie's games when the fighters want to take the risks???

[Jim Jeffries]

If Ivan Calderon eats his way to 160, that doesn't make him a MW.

[Benny Leonard]

Maybe he likes to eat and put on some fat? You just don't get it do you? That is bulk that Manny has put on. There is nothing natural about it.


As for Oscar, Floyd knew he was old and slow just like roach knew it. Step back and look at the big picture man.

6% BODYFAT at 152 pounds is "Fat"?

Bulk, yes, but not fat.

What isn't "natural"? How he has thickened???

If it was to much on his frame he wouldn't have the speed and endurance to go with his weight that provides increased strength and power. Unless he is doing something he shouldn't be doing.