Roach will only fight fighters that fight back?

[deanrw]

What is Floyd anyway? Is he a welterweight or a Jr Welterweight?

Does Floyd even know? Does he stay in no mans land on purpose to avoid the big boys so he can target the little boys?


Can anyone out there answer that question for me? I'm at a loss here.

[Benny Leonard]

so then why cry about freddie's games when the fighters want to take the risks???

I have mixed feelings on it because I understand how it is.

It's like War and Chivalry: You can fight in an honorable way to see who the best is based on "honorable" means/ways...or you can go for the win and do everything within your power to get the victory. So if that means hiring a Geisha to **** your opponent before the fight and then poison him, so be it.
If it means to sabatoge other things to win...so be it. Hiring spies, so be it. It's War and about survival and about who comes out on top in the end.

I understand that.

It's just not what I would do because in sport, I would like to think everything is on even ground and that I am beating someone at their best in a "Fair" manner.

Example: If I was a HW Champion and I had to pick which version of Ali I could fight, I would pick pre-exile Ali. Why? Because that was Ali at his best. I want to know how good I am. Freddie would pick Parkinson Ali. That's the difference I'm talking about. Freddie just wants the "Name" while I would want the utlimate Victory of beating someone at their best.


Here is another example and I won't go into the entire story to keep it quick:

Alexander the Great: "I will not steal my victory.” - said on the eve of Gaugamela when urged to surprise attack by night.

[Benny Leonard]

What is Floyd anyway? Is he a welterweight or a Jr Welterweight?

Does Floyd even know? Does he stay in no mans land on purpose to avoid the big boys so he can target the little boys?


Can anyone out there answer that question for me? I'm at a loss here.

He is a fighter that weighs under 150 pounds by fight-night but refuses to dehydrate himself like the rest of the JrWW who do it to make weight then rehydrate 7+ pounds by fight-night.

But, he was fighting in the "WW" division and despite what I say above, fighters are allowed to dehydrate and rehydrate so...
he has yet to face Cotto and Shane who I would to see him fight even if they will out-weigh him. Arum would have to step aside and allow that fight to happen with Cotto and Floyd would have to accept. He did offer Shane a fight but Shane had other things to do at the time.

If fighters had to be weighed on the same day as the fight, Pac, Hatton and most of the rest of the JrWW would be in Floyd's divison. Or, if we made them all fight in the actual division weight listed, say WW is 147, then that is where they would fight (if they can weigh at that weight).

[rod_serrs]

Maybe he likes to eat and put on some fat? You just don't get it do you? That is bulk that Manny has put on. There is nothing natural about it.


As for Oscar, Floyd knew he was old and slow just like roach knew it. Step back and look at the big picture man.

Pac might actually be a JWW at the moment. However looking at the WW options for big fights I would probably say seeking those greener pastures with top WWs would not be wise for Pacman, because they won't be coming old and slow like Oscar did.

[Benny Leonard]

If Ivan Calderon eats his way to 160, that doesn't make him a MW.

Floyd ate his way there as well but once you get your body adjusted to a certain weight for a long enough time, you get stuck.

And what is "eating" your way there anyway? Not killing yourself with diets and allowing yourself to actually eat a balanced meal/meals through the day?

If you can't make 135 anymore you can't make it.

Manny managed to continue to thicken as he got older so he isn't the small fighter he used to be.

[OnePunch]

Are you playing along with me from what I was responding to or think this is my view with the "no excuses" bs???

I actually did make a thread a while back mocking the "no excuses" theory. Some didn't get it, but others did.

I'm with you on this one bro.......

[Brandish]

jlc and oscar beat floyd to many peoples eyes!

how many..please try to be specific

[Pullcounter]

I have mixed feelings on it because I understand how it is.

It's like War and Chivalry: You can fight in an honorable way to see who the best is based on "honorable" means/ways...or you can go for the win and do everything within your power to get the victory. So if that means hiring a Geisha to **** your opponent before the fight and then poison him, so be it.
If it means to sabatoge other things to win...so be it. Hiring spies, so be it. It's War and about survival and about who comes out on top in the end.

I understand that.

It's just not what I would do because in sport, I would like to think everything is on even ground and that I am beating someone at their best in a "Fair" manner.

Example: If I was a HW Champion and I had to pick which version of Ali I could fight, I would pick pre-exile Ali. Why? Because that was Ali at his best. I want to know how good I am. Freddie would pick Parkinson Ali. That's the difference I'm talking about. Freddie just wants the "Name" while I would want the utlimate Victory of beating someone at their best.


Here is another example and I won't go into the entire story to keep it quick:

Alexander the Great: "I will not steal my victory.” - said on the eve of Gaugamela when urged to surprise attack by night.

yeah, but here's another perspective...

even if pac beats them at 142, they all have a built in excuse as to why they lost... it won't hurt there career too bad.

but if they lost to each other at 147, then that could really hurt their careers.

[rod_serrs]

What is Floyd anyway? Is he a welterweight or a Jr Welterweight?

Does Floyd even know? Does he stay in no mans land on purpose to avoid the big boys so he can target the little boys?


Can anyone out there answer that question for me? I'm at a loss here.

He is a natural WW that can easily make JrWW but refuses to because he doesn't dehydrate to make weight. He'll come into the fight against JMM at like 146 pounds and look alot stroger because he'll be at his natural weight without having to sacrifice much at all to make it. And yes he knows his weight class and is fully aware of the fact I mentioned.

[deanrw]

He is a fighter that weighs under 150 pounds by fight-night but refuses to dehydrate himself like the rest of the JrWW who do it to make weight then rehydrate 7+ pounds by fight-night.

But, he was fighting in the "WW" division and despite what I say above, fighters are allowed to dehydrate and rehydrate so...
he has yet to face Cotto and Shane who I would to see him fight even if they will out-weigh him. Arum would have to step aside and allow that fight to happen with Cotto and Floyd would have to accept. He did offer Shane a fight but Shane had other things to do at the time.

If fighters had to be weighed on the same day as the fight, Pac, Hatton and most of the rest of the JrWW would be in Floyd's divison. Or, if we made them all fight in the actual division weight listed, say WW is 147, then that is where they would fight (if they can weigh at that weight).

Well then it is Floyd who is going against the grain. They have long done away with the same day weigh in system as it was dangerous.

So stepping back and looking at it. Floyd has created his own weight class. he refuses to fight established welterweights but instead prefers to fight smaller guys who have come up near his weight range to give himself an advantage.

So according to this thread title, it says roach will only allow manny to fight fighters who fight back.

On the other hand Floyd will only fight the small, or the old and slow?

Like I said depending on what agenda someone has, they can spin it to make make someone look bad.

Yet some have the audacity to claim Roach and Manny are pulling a duck when the guy started out at 106lbs and is actually willing to step in the ring with Cotto. That is hypocrisy at a brand new level.