Mayweather vs. Pavlik or JMM vs. Mayweather. Equally (un)fair?

[BattlingNelson]

you're saying that as if going up in weight is dangerous. I've never heard of a fighter being drained and weak from gaining weight. It will be a lot harder for Mayweather to go down 4 pounds to the catchweight than it will be for marquez to gain 9 pounds. hell, marquez is probably above 144 walking around as we speak.

Going up in weight is dangerous in the sense that the opponents get bigger. You need to prepare for that.

[bsrizpac]

not at the slightest. Mayweather started his career at 130 while JMM at 126. so, according to your "weight" argument, Mayweather facing a 154 pounder would equal JMM fighting Mayweather if we're purely basing this on weight.

and I know that if mayweather fought spinks at lmw, nobody would be crying about how unfair this fight would be for mayweather including the mayweather nuthuggers.

End ******ed thread. This is correct.

[javelin_fangs]

So now Floyd Mayweather fights JMM at 144-145 lbs thereby forcing him to move up 2 full weightclasses.

Wouldn't it be the same as Mayweather fighting Pavlik at 158?

Facts:

Mayweather has fought 5 fights at or above welterweight.

JMM has fought only twice as a lightweight.

Which matchup seems most fair to you or would you consider those fights equally (un)fair?

It's not even close to the same thing. Mayweather started his career at 130. Was never even considered "big" at 135, 140 or 147 much less 154. Marquez started his career at 126, but looked stronger at 135 than he has at 130.

That said, all Mayweather would really need to do to beat Pavlik would be to avoid getting hit. I wouldn't be surprised if Mayweather-Pavlik looked like Toney-Ruiz.

[DA1CATAS]

last i check jmm and floyd were 1` inch apart..pavlik is 6'1......but floyd beats both anyway

This man knows his stuff... lol..

[javelin_fangs]

Going up in weight is dangerous in the sense that the opponents get bigger. You need to prepare for that.

It's true. You're definitely right about that. But Mayweather and Marquez have been successful going up in weight because they're good defensively. Not to rip on Hatton, but the reason he wasn't successful going up in weight is mainly because he's not good defensively and probably never will be. I wouldn't ever expect Marquez to get blitzed out like that because he can defend himself.

[DA1CATAS]

It's not even close to the same thing. Mayweather started his career at 130. Was never even considered "big" at 135, 140 or 147 much less 154. Marquez started his career at 126, but looked stronger at 135 than he has at 130.

That said, all Mayweather would really need to do to beat Pavlik would be to avoid getting hit. I wouldn't be surprised if Mayweather-Pavlik looked like Toney-Ruiz.

Yup Exactly... how come every doubts mayweather soo much?

[DiegoFuego]

I'd take Mayweather over Pavlik at 158 in a heartbeat

[BattlingNelson]

It's not even close to the same thing. Mayweather started his career at 130. Was never even considered "big" at 135, 140 or 147 much less 154. Marquez started his career at 126, but looked stronger at 135 than he has at 130.

That said, all Mayweather would really need to do to beat Pavlik would be to avoid getting hit. I wouldn't be surprised if Mayweather-Pavlik looked like Toney-Ruiz.

35 year old Marquez hasn't even been a lightweight for a year and now he's expected to jump two full weightclasses?

[Chunk..]

I agree with what to you say Bat, and it's a fair comparison but Marquez choose to go up in weight - He wasn't forced to but you need to remember Marquez called Floyd out! Not the other way round.

You want it, come get it!

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[DiegoFuego]

based on the numbers, may vs pav is the fairest

Mayweather started at 130 pounds. Marquez, as far as I know, started at 126. They are the same.

This isn't like Pacquiao and De La Hoya, where De La Hoya started about 30 pounds bigger than Pacquiao.

We're talking about two natural lightweights fighting as welterweights.

And I'd still take Mayweather over Pavlik at 158. In fact, I don't think I would even give Pavlik much of a chance to be perfectly honest.