There is a particular reason why floyd is so important to the sport of boxing

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Then my apologies to you and your loved ones. Regardless, I think there will always be pure boxers in our sport. Its the evolution that makes it distinct and a gentleman's sport.

Somewhere out there, there are future fighters who will realize that this certain fighting style will serve them best.

And who will be there to teach them all the tricks? The problem at hand will extend to the gyms when today's fighters become tomorrow's trainers.

You did notice how the level of infighting is getting pathetic these days right?

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Exactly, to say that pure boxing ability dies with Floyd Mayweather is as stannish as it gets.

This is just another, "lets cry for Floyd Mayweather" thread.

It takes just a little bit perspective and knowledge to see the point in the initial post without starting to yap. If you actually knew something about the sport, you would have noticed the decline, even if Mayweather was not in the game. You would have noticed by watching a tape from some say 70s fights and watching the top level fights today.

It so happens that Mayweather is the closest thing available today of a fighter who learned everything that was there to learn, which was of course a lot more common when fighters had a ton pro fights.

[Silencers]

There aren't too many that can do what he does but I'm sure there is someone somewhere who will come along and dazzle us with his skills, it's just a matter of time.

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There aren't too many that can do what he does but I'm sure there is someone somewhere who will come along and dazzle us with his skills, it's just a matter of time.

That would be the normal thing, but look in the past.
Look at the 90s, count crafty fighters.
Then look at the 80s, count them.
...
...
Thinking about the 40s 50s is actually scary, in a single division you had Charles, Walcott and Moore, in another one Burley and Robinson...

The problem is that that number is steadily decreasing with time.

And there is another thing, which is bothering, the trainers... who is going to train the guy who will come along?

[El Jesus]

That would be the normal thing, but look in the past.
Look at the 90s, count crafty fighters.
Then look at the 80s, count them.
...
...
Thinking about the 40s 50s is actually scary, in a single division you had Charles, Walcott and Moore, in another one Burley and Robinson...

The problem is that that number is steadily decreasing with time.

And there is another thing, which is bothering, the trainers... who is going to train the guy who will come along?

there is always a chance that a guy like roach, who was no more than a clubfighter at best will come along and try to continue someones career in the sport. Even anne wolf or someone like that has a chance to put back into the sport what they gave. But i do wonder though, who will train those guys? i do reckon guys like roger and floyd mayweather will be around for awhile, mcgirt and quite a few others. But it is an issue that should very well be raised.

sadly, i dont have any idea how our olympic team will look in 2012, i never thought USA boxing would decline so badly. looking at every class since the dream boxing team in 84, to 88, to 92 then 96 and then 2000 and it just gets worse from 04 to 08.

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there is always a chance that a guy like roach, who was no more than a clubfighter at best will come along and try to continue someones career in the sport. Even anne wolf or someone like that has a chance to put back into the sport what they gave. But i do wonder though, who will train those guys? i do reckon guys like roger and floyd mayweather will be around for awhile, mcgirt and quite a few others. But it is an issue that should very well be raised.

sadly, i dont have any idea how our olympic team will look in 2012, i never thought USA boxing would decline so badly. looking at every class since the dream boxing team in 84, to 88, to 92 then 96 and then 2000 and it just gets worse from 04 to 08.

Remember that Roach worked alongside Futch for a while. Hopefully he is going to take someone under his wing.
Hopefully Roach will be teaching someone like Futch did to him, it's kind of vital.

I will throw in there the names of a few top level fighters who could be great trainers IMO.

Hopkins and Mayweather could be great trainers.

Jones had amazing ring IQ (the way he calls fights... unbelievable), but I wonder if someone fighitng with his style can be a good trainer.

James Toney is probably too instinctive to transfer that.

JMM worked with Nacho for many years and is excellent himself. I love watching Rafa, but he woudl forget to teach defense to his fighters.

[2501]

Heres one thing to think about

For the longest time, the come forward brawling style was considered the staple of Mexican boxing. When one thought brawl, one thought Mexican Boxing.

In the past year, there had been 5 Mexican boxers on the P4P list at the same time.

Juan Manuel Marquez
Rafael Marquez
Antonio Margarito
Christian Mijares
Israel Vazquez

Those highlighted in red where/are considered technicians before brawlers. That means that the best Mexican fighters were tacticallly superior technicians. Sure, they have lost, but that happens when you fight the best.

My point is, the country that is supposed to be the "least skilled Boxing wise" just happened to have the most technically sound boxers on the P4P list at one point. That speaks to the fact that the art of boxing is going no where.

Fans have always favored action over substance. Its part of the BUSINESS and entertainment of Boxing. But there will always be those who are pefrectionist.

[2501]

there is always a chance that a guy like roach, who was no more than a clubfighter at best will come along and try to continue someones career in the sport. Even anne wolf or someone like that has a chance to put back into the sport what they gave. But i do wonder though, who will train those guys? i do reckon guys like roger and floyd mayweather will be around for awhile, mcgirt and quite a few others. But it is an issue that should very well be raised.

sadly, i dont have any idea how our olympic team will look in 2012, i never thought USA boxing would decline so badly. looking at every class since the dream boxing team in 84, to 88, to 92 then 96 and then 2000 and it just gets worse from 04 to 08.

honestly, i think we should just forget about olympic boxing until it is restructured to represent how the sport is truly practiced.

it wont matter if the US isn't representing as long as we produce great professional talent.

[MaFu MoFo]

There aren't too many that can do what he does but I'm sure there is someone somewhere who will come along and dazzle us with his skills, it's just a matter of time.

How about Ivan Calderon? That little dude got skills, arguably as good as Floyd's. But at his weight, the exposure is much less than a guy like PBF. If you are a real boxing fan, you must like boxers like PBF and Calderon. No way around it.

[El Dominicano]

Nice topic. Personally, I love watching defense more than offense. I enjoy a brawl every now and then as much as the next person, but I'm trying to figure out when the name of the sport became "Knockouts" instead of boxing. Stuff that Larry Merchant says for example "Wake me up when they start slugging it out" just gives off the wrong vibe to me. I've been a boxing fan from a very young age and my guy from the very beginning was Pernell Whitaker. He was the total package and there was nothing more I enjoyed then seeing him hit and not get hit. Defense is a real thing of beauty and I have a ton of respect for fighters that can mix it all together. But I fear that the next GUY isn't right around the corner like it had been throughout my whole boxing experience. When Pernell got a bit older Roy Jones was there to save the day. His brash style that relied heavily on his amazing reflexes. He wasn't traditional, but in his prime he owned the ring and could do everything. Then came Floyd Mayweather Jr who I really started taking notice of in the late 90s. It might sound like I only like the P4P caliber fighters, but at the time I didn't know any of these guys who be a huge success. That's the style I'm most attracted to is all.

I look around today and wonder who's going to take Floyd's place (for me). Obviously some other people don't care because they're out for blood and like KO fighters who get their brains bashed in the process. I guess I've always liked the smarter hit and don't get hit philosophy. I respect the warrior type and a brawl can really get your blood boiling. But I'm one of the rare few who seems to enjoy a boxing clinic just as much. Boxing right now reminds me of basketball in the sense that in the 80s for example, it was all about the fundamentals. Players came into the NBA far more prepared (outside of the few of course) than today. The game is more about speed and athleticism, yet most guys can't even can the mid range jumper anymore. A lot of what used to be standard is a lost art today as Clyde Fraizer would say. Defense in the NBA is a completely difference subject because of all the rule changes.

Anyway, it's nice to see someone else thinking beyond knock outs and wondering what the future holds. I think we're going to see a drastic decrease in fighters who are the overall package. Hell, we already are. You're one of my favorite posters on here btw. Very... logical.

Good post