Roach and Arum Protecting Pacman, handpicking his fighters.

[puromexicano198]

ur ******ed they already have Miguel Cotto in mind then floyd after that. I really dont htink Floyd is anything special but Miguel Cotto has defeated shane mosley and showed how dangerous he can be

******?

Read the whole comment and then reply. My comment is not a buffet where you can pull what you want, out of context, and then use it against me as if I were a ******. For the exception of Marquez.

Read the whole comment, or you should stop replying and watching boxing at the same time.

[JACK D. RIPPER]

Pacman is very good fighter and has every right to be the best P4P fighter. However, recent fights he's been placed on are somewhat overrated and should not be used as a scale to judge him as a fighter. In the last years he's only fought one good, "A", fighter and thats JMM. All the other were either past glory or were never considered "A" level fighters.

Pacman vs. :

Hatton(almost got TKO by Lazcano, unknown fighter), one-sided, whooping.
DLH(dehydrated), one sided.
D.Diaz(poor guy was a moving punching bag for Pacman), one-sided
Morales(last 2 fights, last one was no competition for Pacman)
Barrera(fill in) one-sided

It's evident Pacman trains so hard, that his fights become so easy, But at what point do you stop giving him easy fighters to truly test him and give the fans their money's worth.

Hand-Picking fighters can only go so far. Agree with or not?

Arum is talking about Chavez Jr. vs. Pacman, ARE YOU SERIOUS???!!!!!

Puromejicano...you speak the troof. Much respect.

[puromexicano198]

Miguel Cotto is a good match, but how convenient to set him up against Pacman, an elite fighter, after Evangelista Cotto his trainer split from Cotto.

A trainer is vital prior to and during a fight.

[miron_lang]

Fighters

Chatchai Sasakul - Thai legend, Linear champ ( KO8 )
Lehlo Ledwabba - IBF Champ at the time, TOP 2 at least in his division (KO6)
Jorge Julio - 2 time Bantamweight Champion ( Blown out in 2)
Marco Antonio Barrera - p4p Mexican Legend, Linear Champion( TKO11, UD12)
Erik Morales - p4p Mexican Legend, ( L12, KO10, KO3)
Juan Manuel Marquez - Another Mexican Legend ( D, S12)
David Diaz - A tuneup Belt Holder ( KO9 )
Oscar Larios - Belt Holder before and after Pacquiao ( UD )
Oscar DelaHoya - Everybody knows the outcome before the fight right? (TKO8)
Ricky Hatton - Linear Champ and undefeated @140 KO2


***

When PAC was the IBF 122lbs champ. The GODS of the featherweights were Barrera p4p#3, Erik Morales(Can he be far behind Barrera?) and Juan Manuel Marquez. Since 2003 he fought all of them 7 times......

Thats 7 fights againts the TOP Featherweights of his time. 7 ****in times!!!

He beat them all via 5 wins on 3 stoppages, 1 loss and 1 draw.




Its like Roy fighting Nard, Toney and Calzaghe/Benn 7 times.

Floyd fighting Mosley, Cotto and Margarito(without the wraps) 7 times

[Obusv477]

Pacman is very good fighter and has every right to be the best P4P fighter. However, recent fights he's been placed on are somewhat overrated and should not be used as a scale to judge him as a fighter. In the last years he's only fought one good, "A", fighter and thats JMM. All the other were either past glory or were never considered "A" level fighters.

Pacman vs. :

Hatton(almost got TKO by Lazcano, unknown fighter), one-sided, whooping.
DLH(dehydrated), one sided.
D.Diaz(poor guy was a moving punching bag for Pacman), one-sided
Morales(last 2 fights, last one was no competition for Pacman)
Barrera(fill in) one-sided

It's evident Pacman trains so hard, that his fights become so easy, But at what point do you stop giving him easy fighters to truly test him and give the fans their money's worth.

Hand-Picking fighters can only go so far. Agree with or not?

Arum is talking about Chavez Jr. vs. Pacman, ARE YOU SERIOUS???!!!!!

Yo TS, at what point does the consideration of cherrypicking start anyways? Its certainly not before the actual fights themselves isnt it? It seems it only becomes "cherrypicking" after Pac obliterates the opposition. Hypothetically, if Pac fights a 36 yr old JMM at 140 and blows him out in 2...it wouldnt surprised me if u would twist that around as well to where it eventually becomes "cherrypicking".

...like the other guy said, too transparent.

[VERDUGO]

Pacman is very good fighter and has every right to be the best P4P fighter. However, recent fights he's been placed on are somewhat overrated and should not be used as a scale to judge him as a fighter. In the last years he's only fought one good, "A", fighter and thats JMM. All the other were either past glory or were never considered "A" level fighters.

Pacman vs. :

Hatton(almost got TKO by Lazcano, unknown fighter), one-sided, whooping.
DLH(dehydrated), one sided.
D.Diaz(poor guy was a moving punching bag for Pacman), one-sided
Morales(last 2 fights, last one was no competition for Pacman)
Barrera(fill in) one-sided

It's evident Pacman trains so hard, that his fights become so easy, But at what point do you stop giving him easy fighters to truly test him and give the fans their money's worth.

Hand-Picking fighters can only go so far. Agree with or not?

Arum is talking about Chavez Jr. vs. Pacman, ARE YOU SERIOUS???!!!!!

Says a poster name 'puromexicano'.

[puromexicano198]

Fighters

Chatchai Sasakul - Thai legend, Linear champ ( KO8 )
Lehlo Ledwabba - IBF Champ at the time, TOP 2 at least in his division (KO6)
Jorge Julio - 2 time Bantamweight Champion ( Blown out in 2)
Marco Antonio Barrera - p4p Mexican Legend, Linear Champion( TKO11, UD12)
Erik Morales - p4p Mexican Legend, ( L12, KO10, KO3)
Juan Manuel Marquez - Another Mexican Legend ( D, S12)
David Diaz - A tuneup Belt Holder ( KO9 )
Oscar Larios - Belt Holder before and after Pacquiao ( UD )
Oscar DelaHoya - Everybody knows the outcome before the fight right? (TKO8)
Ricky Hatton - Linear Champ and undefeated @140 KO2


***

When PAC was the IBF 122lbs champ. The GODS of the featherweights were Barrera p4p#3, Erik Morales(Can he be far behind Barrera?) and Juan Manuel Marquez. Since 2003 he fought all of them 7 times......

Thats 7 fights againts the TOP Featherweights of his time. 7 ****in times!!!

He beat them all via 5 wins on 3 stoppages, 1 loss and 1 draw.




Its like Roy fighting Nard, Toney and Calzaghe/Benn 7 times.

Floyd fighting Mosley, Cotto and Margarito(without the wraps) 7 times

OK. Good Point and I'm not arguing against what you said, matter of fact I agree to most of it.

However, I did say recent fights. RECENT FIGHTS. I give him credit for the 1st 2 fights against Barrera and the 1st 2 against Morales. But the 3rd against both of them were no contest.
Be honest with yourself. You know when 2 fighters are at their best, same quality, and can compete. Yet for some odd reason, some Filipinos hate it, abhor the thought or argument that he's had some mismatched fights to his advantage.

[puromexicano198]

Says a poster name 'puromexicano'.

OK. I might not be an expert. But listen to TEDDY ATLAS. He makes the same point I just did and I posted this after listening to his comments. Him and I share the same view of Pacman. He's great but his past fights have "set for him to shine".TEDDY ATLAS from ESPN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKra5e_CTQg&NR=1

towards the end, you will find it. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Yours too. Proves my point. Some Filipinos cannot take educated criticism without getting all emotional. Again, not all but SOME.

The same way some Mexican, MEx-Americans cannot accept the fact we dont have a good quantity of quality boxers.

Not All or everyone but SOME.

[1000 Left Fist]

Fighters

Chatchai Sasakul - Thai legend, Linear champ ( KO8 )
Lehlo Ledwabba - IBF Champ at the time, TOP 2 at least in his division (KO6)
Jorge Julio - 2 time Bantamweight Champion ( Blown out in 2)
Marco Antonio Barrera - p4p Mexican Legend, Linear Champion( TKO11, UD12)
Erik Morales - p4p Mexican Legend, ( L12, KO10, KO3)
Juan Manuel Marquez - Another Mexican Legend ( D, S12)
David Diaz - A tuneup Belt Holder ( KO9 )
Oscar Larios - Belt Holder before and after Pacquiao ( UD )
Oscar DelaHoya - Everybody knows the outcome before the fight right? (TKO8)
Ricky Hatton - Linear Champ and undefeated @140 KO2


***

When PAC was the IBF 122lbs champ. The GODS of the featherweights were Barrera p4p#3, Erik Morales(Can he be far behind Barrera?) and Juan Manuel Marquez. Since 2003 he fought all of them 7 times......

Thats 7 fights againts the TOP Featherweights of his time. 7 ****in times!!!

He beat them all via 5 wins on 3 stoppages, 1 loss and 1 draw.




Its like Roy fighting Nard, Toney and Calzaghe/Benn 7 times.

Floyd fighting Mosley, Cotto and Margarito(without the wraps) 7 times

and to add to that roy going up in a catch weight with klitschko kick his ass then go down to beat haye and own them in a easy fashion.

[daggum]

OK. Good Point and I'm not arguing against what you said, matter of fact I agree to most of it.

However, I did say recent fights. RECENT FIGHTS. I give him credit for the 1st 2 fights against Barrera and the 1st 2 against Morales. But the 3rd against both of them were no contest.
Be honest with yourself. You know when 2 fighters are at their best, same quality, and can compete. Yet for some odd reason, some Filipinos hate it, abhor the thought or argument that he's had some mismatched fights to his advantage.

i really liked the third barrera fight!