How does Pac stand a chance aginst Mayweather when you factor in this.......

[Ravishing]

Manny struggled with JMM twice....and was countered rather easily.

JMM a slick counter puncher gives Manny troubles everytime....

Now factor in this...Everything JMM does...Mayweather does better.

Mayweather is taller...longer...stronger..faster....has better defense..has better reflexes.....is younger.....hits harder..has a better chin....is harder to hit....has better agility and foot speed..not to mention the power and speed May shos at 140 pounds......and is a smarter fighter who wont get into trading matches or pissing contests in the boxing ring.

How does Manny beat a guy who essentially was created to beat a guy like him everytime?

Please explain.

I think you're way off there Mr Don

First off, Floyd is older than Manny (if only by 2 years). But saying Manny's reflexes don't compare to Floyd's is a bit absurd. Manny's knows how to dive in and out on his toes and uses his legs really well to put good power behind his punches. That's not something you learn at a local gym, that's pure natural talent. Pacquiao without a doubt showed he has power and speed. He KO'd a fighter Floyd fought (Mind you at a higher weight) and made him look like a Tomato can. Manny's agility overall in his career has been what many give him praise for, how is Floyd's agility even apparent when he hasn't used it in any of his fights in the last 4 years? What fighter has put him in offensive mode for him to be agile in anyway? He doesn't do it with his defense.

If you put everything on the table, Pacquiao's speed, skills, ring smarts, and power are more than enough to make anyone believe he's got a hell of a shot to beat Floyd. But it's tough to give a logical explanation when dealing with an obsessed fan of the opposing fighter, it's a merry-go-round.

[Burner]

Not really sure if he has. He does seem slow and more hesitant to actually mix it up. Not sure on the punch-stats, but when I watch his fights now it doesn't seem like he is throwing the same amount as he was from 130-140. Bigger fighters as the reason? maybe...but if he used his style method like he did against Diego, he shouldn't have a problem.


Judah also breaks down mentally in a fight...although Mayweather was breaking him down to the body and then started to pick it up. Still not sure with that fight. Pac also throws a lot more than Judah. Judah has speed and power though and Floyd should get him as a sparring partner to prepare but to make sure Judah fights like Pac, have Judah go all out for 5 straight-rounds since it is sparring and he wouldn't have to worry about going the distance (as far as Judah is concerned). And then you could stick another fighter in there after 5 rounds to continue on...and so on. He should let Judah wear 8oz gloves too.

Floyd and Judah have been spotted all over Vegas together....and its rumoured that Zab is signed to Mayweather promotions.....

and Zab is on the JMM-PBF ndercard...

You better belive Him and Floyd wil be sparring....

And Zab is faster then Pac...and hits harder...and is bigger.

[Burner]

I think you're way off there Mr Don

First off, Floyd is older than Manny (if only by 2 years). But saying Manny's reflexes don't compare to Floyd's is a bit absurd. Manny's knows how to dive in and out on his toes and uses his legs really well to put good power behind his punches. That's not something you learn at a local gym, that's pure natural talent. Pacquiao without a doubt showed he has power and speed. He KO'd a fighter Floyd fought (Mind you at a higher weight) and made him look like a Tomato can. Manny's agility overall in his career has been what many give him praise for, how is Floyd's agility even apparent he hasn't used it in any of his fights in the last 4 years? What fighter has put him in offensive mode for him to be agile in anyway? He doesn't do it with his defense.

If you put everything on the table, Pacquiao's speed, skills, ring smarts, and power are more than enough to make anyone believe he's got a hell of a shot to beat Floyd. But it's tough to give a logical explanation when dealing with an obsessed fan of the opposing fighter, it's a merry-go-round.

I was comparing Floyd to Juan Marquez not Pac.

[Benny Leonard]

He wont be faster then Floyd at 140 pounds.

And at 147...if you watch the fight Body shots turned Zbs speed into Margs.

I think Floyd is slower now than he was at 130-140. That's what is amazing about Pac is that he continues to move up in weight and keeps his speed (if not faster) and might be more powerful.


Oh, Floyd needs to go back to putting punches like this together more often with that kind of speed...but not sure he still has it just like this.

[Burner]

Only on sheer workrate does he stand a chance imo. Mr boat buyer will beat him, likely by KO.

Paul Williams woule beat him by doing that..because hes bigger stronger long and hist like a truck....

If Manny tries to just out work Floyd..he leaves himself open for counterss..like how JMM ws nailing him

[Pacmanjay]

Manny struggled with JMM twice....and was countered rather easily.

JMM a slick counter puncher gives Manny troubles everytime....

Now factor in this...Everything JMM does...Mayweather does better.

Mayweather is taller...longer...stronger..faster....has better defense..has better reflexes.....is younger.....hits harder..has a better chin....is harder to hit....has better agility and foot speed..not to mention the power and speed May shos at 140 pounds......and is a smarter fighter who wont get into trading matches or pissing contests in the boxing ring.

How does Manny beat a guy who essentially was created to beat a guy like him everytime?

Please explain.

Oh btw, the reason Pac is so impressive is not only his wins but his constant improvement over the last few fights. He's a different fighter from when he fought JMM for the 2nd time and MUCH different from the first fight. I'm pretty confident if there were a 3rd fight, Manny would finish JMM too. Like many unbiased people (unlike you, your mother, and father) have been noticing, Manny has turned from brawler with no defense to a boxer puncher.


Now, proceed to cut your wrist you ***ing ****roach.

[Burner]

I think Floyd is slower now than he was at 130-140. That's what is amazing about Pac is that he continues to move up in weight and keeps his speed (if not faster) and might be more powerful.


Oh, Floyd needs to go back to putting punches like this together more often with that kind of speed...but not sure he still has it just like this.

Hes not slower....its just how he fights...at the higher werights...

Why would he string Combos togethre aginst GIANTS like Oscar and Baldi.....who both weighed over 160 pounds fight night while Floyd was 147.

At 140 pounds Floyd is blazing........

[Benny Leonard]

Floyd and Judah have been spotted all over Vegas together....and its rumoured that Zab is signed to Mayweather promotions.....

and Zab is on the JMM-PBF ndercard...

You better belive Him and Floyd wil be sparring....

And Zab is faster then Pac...and hits harder...and is bigger.

Zab would be great sparring and is a must.

Who else is a southpaw out there?

Maybe he could get Spinks, Ortiz..........

But of course, have them all use heavy pressure since they can keep rotating sparring partners so they don't have to worry about pacing themselves.

[Ravishing]

I was comparing Floyd to Juan Marquez not Pac.

And I'm basing it on the title of the thread...which in the end is the main point if I'm not mistaken.

[rican4life]

outside of mayweather the best pure boxer in the sport is ivan "iron boy" caldron and ring magazine would secound that..