Would you consider this a great champion?

[Puntoyhauf]

He beat gatti, baldomir, JLC, Judah, and old de la hoya. But then again at the time he fought them any average fighter could have beaten them.especially the four first metioned.

but then again... a win is a win... it's not Floyd Jr's fault that his opponent didn't had what it takes to defeat him, but for Floyd Jr to say that he's the GOAT and did not had the guts to fight the best is just down right shameful.

[Bullet Bill]

me as a fan don't really care if cotto fights for vacant belts or if he has ever gotten a lineal belt.

1. miguel cotto defended those vacant belts against some of the best in the division.

2. mayweather got the lineal title at 147 from carlos baldomir. do you honestly think cotto wouldn't have beaten carlos baldomir if given the chance?

I dont deal with could have,would have, should have.

In 2006
The top 2 man in the welterweight division were
zab judah and carlos baldomir.
and Floyd Mayweather beat them both. before Miguel Cotto even came to the welterweight division.

In 2006
Miguel Cotto was fighting
Ricardo Torres at 140
Gianluca Branco at 140
Paul Malignaggi at 140
Carlos Quintana at 147 first fight.
[By that Time Floyd Already beat Carlos and Zab and won the lineal WW championship.]

So When do you think Mayweather vs. Cotto should have happen?

2007
Mayweather fought de la hoya in the biggest selling fight and boxing history
and then Mayweather fought and destroyed Undefeated Ricky Hatton and highest grossing non-heavyweight fight not involving de la hoya.

2006 : Cotto fighting at Jr. WW while Floyd was fighting Welterweights
2007: Floyd was Fighting Jr. Middleweights and making history. and defeating another top undefeated fighter.

[F l i c k e r]

In my opinion, it depends on who he has fought to earn those wins, the quality of the fighters he has faced and the quality of fights he displayed.

Wins WBC Superfeather title from Genaro Hernandez

Genaro Hernandez
won 38 (KO 17) lost 2 (KO 2) drawn 1 = 41 fights


2 time world champion
Defended the WBA Super featherweight title 8 times. WBC super featherweight title 3 times losing it to Floyd the 4th.

Notable wins: Jorge Paez , Azumah Nelson , Carlos Hernandez
Notable losses: Floyd Mayweather Jr & Oscar De La Hoya

Defends title 8x to mandatory fighters. Meaning #1-3 fighters in super feather division. 2 of those being Diego Coralles and Jesus Chavez.

Beats Castillo for Lightweight title

won 57 (KO 49) + lost 9 (KO 6) + drawn 1 = 67
rounds boxed 366 : KO% 73.13

defends Lightweight title 3x. 2 of those being Castillo rematch and Phillip Ndou(21wins, 20KOs at the time)

Defeats Corley who was once a WBO JWW champion

Beats Arturo Gatti in 6 for WBC Light Welterweight title.

won 40 (KO 31) + lost 9 (KO 5) + drawn 0 = 49
rounds boxed 253 : KO% 63.27

Beats Zab Judah for IBF and IBO Welterweight titles.

won 37 (KO 25) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45
rounds boxed 257 : KO% 55.56

Beats Baldomir for IBA and WBC Welterweight titles.

won 44 (KO 13) + lost 12 (KO 1) + drawn 6 = 62
rounds boxed 516 : KO% 20.97

Beats Oscar Dela Hoya for WBC Light Middleweight title.

One of the only 4 Sextuple champions(Hearns, Toney, Camacho).
won 39 (KO 30) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45
rounds boxed 308 : KO% 66.67

Beats undefeated Ricky Hatton to defend his WBC Welterweight title.

won 45 (KO 32) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 46
rounds boxed 274 : KO% 69.57

All while accumulating a record of.... 39 Wins (25 knockouts, 14 decisions), 0 Losses, 0 Draws


That is a great fucking champion.

[Bullet Bill]

Wins WBC Superfeather title from Genaro Hernandez

Genaro Hernandez
won 38 (KO 17) lost 2 (KO 2) drawn 1 = 41 fights


2 time world champion
Defended the WBA Super featherweight title 8 times. WBC super featherweight title 3 times losing it to Floyd the 4th.

Notable wins: Jorge Paez , Azumah Nelson , Carlos Hernandez
Notable losses: Floyd Mayweather Jr & Oscar De La Hoya

Defends title 8x to mandatory fighters. Meaning #1-3 fighters in super feather division. 2 of those being Diego Coralles and Jesus Chavez.

Beats Castillo for Lightweight title

won 57 (KO 49) + lost 9 (KO 6) + drawn 1 = 67
rounds boxed 366 : KO% 73.13

defends Lightweight title 3x. 2 of those being Castillo rematch and Phillip Ndou(21wins, 20KOs at the time)

Defeats Corley who was once a WBO JWW champion

Beats Arturo Gatti in 6 for WBC Light Welterweight title.

won 40 (KO 31) + lost 9 (KO 5) + drawn 0 = 49
rounds boxed 253 : KO% 63.27

Beats Zab Judah for IBF and IBO Welterweight titles.

won 37 (KO 25) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45
rounds boxed 257 : KO% 55.56

Beats Baldomir for IBA and WBC Welterweight titles.

won 44 (KO 13) + lost 12 (KO 1) + drawn 6 = 62
rounds boxed 516 : KO% 20.97

Beats Oscar Dela Hoya for WBC Light Middleweight title.

One of the only 4 Sextuple champions(Hearns, Toney, Camacho).
won 39 (KO 30) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45
rounds boxed 308 : KO% 66.67

Beats undefeated Ricky Hatton to defend his WBC Welterweight title.

won 45 (KO 32) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 46
rounds boxed 274 : KO% 69.57

All while accumulating a record of.... 39 Wins (25 knockouts, 14 decisions), 0 Losses, 0 Draws


That is a great fucking champion.

Standing Ovation.............

not to mention Gerno never lost at 130 before he fought Floyd.

[Left Hook Tua]

I dont deal with could have,would have, should have.

In 2006
The top 2 man in the welterweight division were
zab judah and carlos baldomir.
and Floyd Mayweather beat them both. before Miguel Cotto even came to the welterweight division.

In 2006
Miguel Cotto was fighting
Ricardo Torres at 140
Gianluca Branco at 140
Paul Malignaggi at 140
Carlos Quintana at 147 first fight.
[By that Time Floyd Already beat Carlos and Zab and won the lineal WW championship.]

So When do you think Mayweather vs. Cotto should have happen?

2007
Mayweather fought de la hoya in the biggest selling fight and boxing history
and then Mayweather fought and destroyed Undefeated Ricky Hatton and highest grossing non-heavyweight fight not involving de la hoya.

2006 : Cotto fighting at Jr. WW while Floyd was fighting Welterweights
2007: Floyd was Fighting Jr. Middleweights and making history. and defeating another top undefeated fighter.

i'm not one of those that hate on floyd for taking money fights with ricky and oscar. he's a pro. pros get paid.

it would have been nice if he fought marg or cotto after he had gotten paid.

but he didn't.

he retired.

now he's coming back from retirement.

[Kevin Jesus]

Mayweather had no balls but is tough enough to go up 5 divisions and beat the #1 JMW. Let's see Cotto go up to Super Middleweight and beat Carl Froch or whoever the #1 in that division is. Cotto wouldn't even have the balls to "cherry pick" a Super Middleweight.

[Puntoyhauf]

Wins WBC Superfeather title from Genaro Hernandez

Genaro Hernandez
won 38 (KO 17) lost 2 (KO 2) drawn 1 = 41 fights


2 time world champion
Defended the WBA Super featherweight title 8 times. WBC super featherweight title 3 times losing it to Floyd the 4th.

Notable wins: Jorge Paez , Azumah Nelson , Carlos Hernandez
Notable losses: Floyd Mayweather Jr & Oscar De La Hoya

Defends title 8x to mandatory fighters. Meaning #1-3 fighters in super feather division. 2 of those being Diego Coralles and Jesus Chavez.

Beats Castillo for Lightweight title

won 57 (KO 49) + lost 9 (KO 6) + drawn 1 = 67
rounds boxed 366 : KO% 73.13

defends Lightweight title 3x. 2 of those being Castillo rematch and Phillip Ndou(21wins, 20KOs at the time)

Defeats Corley who was once a WBO JWW champion

Beats Arturo Gatti in 6 for WBC Light Welterweight title.

won 40 (KO 31) + lost 9 (KO 5) + drawn 0 = 49
rounds boxed 253 : KO% 63.27

Beats Zab Judah for IBF and IBO Welterweight titles.

won 37 (KO 25) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45
rounds boxed 257 : KO% 55.56

Beats Baldomir for IBA and WBC Welterweight titles.

won 44 (KO 13) + lost 12 (KO 1) + drawn 6 = 62
rounds boxed 516 : KO% 20.97

Beats Oscar Dela Hoya for WBC Light Middleweight title.

One of the only 4 Sextuple champions(Hearns, Toney, Camacho).
won 39 (KO 30) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 45
rounds boxed 308 : KO% 66.67

Beats undefeated Ricky Hatton to defend his WBC Welterweight title.

won 45 (KO 32) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 46
rounds boxed 274 : KO% 69.57

All while accumulating a record of.... 39 Wins (25 knockouts, 14 decisions), 0 Losses, 0 Draws


That is a great fucking champion.

good... so finally you answered your own question. plus you earned points from us replying to your thread.

[Spray_resistant]

All of the titles he has won are great accomplishments, and Floyd is a special and extremely talented fighter which is why better is expected of him. He can fight better opponents and accomplish much more than he already has but has refused to and that seems to be what some fan's beef is with him. I remember in the prefight bs with Gatti he said that Gatti was a C+ fight, and all I could of was; why are you fighting him then? but hey wtf, what other 145lb guy can say he beat The Big Show?