Would you consider this a great champion?

[dsyef]

Floyd beat JLC, Baldomir, Gatti, Judah, old De La hoya for their titles.. Wow no won can beat them? Oh yeah Baldomir beat Judah, Gatti lost to Gomez, JLC stopped 4 previous times.
But not everyone can say they beat Mosley at 147 even if it was a close fight. Not everyone can say I fought a plaster man up untill 11 rounds. does anyone really believe Mayweather wouldn't have quit? He'd probally cried for Margarito to stop.

[F l i c k e r]

if floyd had fought mosley one year , marg the next and then clottey the year after......

there wouldn't even be any anti-floyd threads. we'd all love the guy for fighting the best.

That doesn't matter because its easier to hate him than like him...

Floyd beats Cotto: "Cotto was never the same after Margarito"

Floyd beats Mosley: "Mosley is too old."

Floyd beats Clottey: "Clottey isn't top competition."


That's what is bound to happen.... Aparently, trashing Corrales isn't an acomplishment. Ripping Hatton in half isn't great. Beating ODLH at JMW isn't good. Killing Ndou(21 wins, 20 KOs) isn't great. Ooooooookay. Like the hating would stop because he faught those guys you mentioned.

[Kevin Jesus]

FMJ is a 5 division champ, Super Featherweight-Jr Middleweight.
Cotto started at Jr Welterweight and is now at Welterweight. Do you think Cotto would ever be a 5 division champ even by "cherry picking"?

That's, let's see, JWW, WW, JMW, MW, SMW...
So would Cotto ever go all the way up to Super Middleweight?
Even Manny Pacquiao is a greater fighter than Cotto.

If what Mayweather has done shouldn't be noted as accomplishments, then **** it, no boxer has accomplished anything. Period.

[Puntoyhauf]

A man who:

• Wins the WBC Super Featherweight title
• Defends it successfully 8x
• Moves to Lightweight and wins the WBC title
• Defends it successfully 3x
• Moves to LWW and wins the WBC title
• Moves to WW and wins the IBF and IBO title
• Defends IBF title and wins IBA and WBC WW titles
• Moves up to JMW and wins the WBC title
• Moves back down and defends WW WBC title again. Successfully

Is that a great champion or no?

In my opinion, it depends on who he has fought to earn those wins, the quality of the fighters he has faced and the quality of fights he displayed.

[dsyef]

No. If the fight was at 140-147 maybe but it was at 154, ODLH's comfort weight.

Comfort weight when he was old, but De la hoya best weights were under that. Mosley showed more ability than Oscar as the years went by. Especially at 147 he's alot faster than at being at 154. theres no doubt that mosley is better than De La hoya at this stage in their careers. Especially at 147.

[Jim Jeffries]

Um so? Its just as much as Mosley's fault as it is Floyd's. Cotto faught Margarito and everyone makes excuses, and Clottey was the easy route out. Seeing how Paul Williams was staring right at him.


Look at you trying to downplay good boxers just because "Floyd" faught them.

DLH was a great boxer, just not by the time Floyd got to him. Hatton was a good boxer, just not very good at 147 as was already proved by the time Floyd fought him. JLC was good, but Floyd was 1-1 against him. The guys you listed in the other thread, Corley, Baldomir, Gatti, N'Dou, etc, were you being serious?

[Left Hook Tua]

Cotto has yet to become the man in any division.
and has yet to become a lineal and ring champion in any division.

Pacquaio Has
Mosely Has
JMM Has
Ricky Hatton Has
Nate Campbell Has
Floyd Mayweather Has

What this tells me is that all those fighters put in the work to be recognize
as the man in their division no if and's or but's. Or could have would have or should have.

That why I say Cotto put the hardwork in and rise atop of the welterweight division and win that lineal championship and get yourself some history under your name.

Cotto is a good fighter. but at some point when are we as fans going to say to cotto stop fighting for vacant titles and go get the lineal title. and you do that by putting in the work. and winning the fights that mean something.

me as a fan don't really care if cotto fights for vacant belts or if he has ever gotten a lineal belt.

1. miguel cotto defended those vacant belts against some of the best in the division.

2. mayweather got the lineal title at 147 from carlos baldomir. do you honestly think cotto wouldn't have beaten carlos baldomir if given the chance?

[Jose Rizal]

A man who:

• Wins the WBC Super Featherweight title
• Defends it successfully 8x
• Moves to Lightweight and wins the WBC title
• Defends it successfully 3x
• Moves to LWW and wins the WBC title
• Moves to WW and wins the IBF and IBO title
• Defends IBF title and wins IBA and WBC WW titles
• Moves up to JMW and wins the WBC title
• Moves back down and defends WW WBC title again. Successfully

Is that a great champion or no?

Is that guy undefeated? LOL

The quality of victims in his resume is more important to me than the titles but that career you laid out can still be considered a great achievement for any fighter.

[dsyef]

In my opinion, it depends on who he has fought to earn those wins, the quality of the fighters he has faced and the quality of fights he displayed.

He beat gatti, baldomir, JLC, Judah, and old de la hoya. But then again at the time he fought them any average fighter could have beaten them.especially the four first metioned.

[Left Hook Tua]

That doesn't matter because its easier to hate him than like him...

Floyd beats Cotto: "Cotto was never the same after Margarito"

Floyd beats Mosley: "Mosley is too old."

Floyd beats Clottey: "Clottey isn't top competition."


That's what is bound to happen.... Aparently, trashing Corrales isn't an acomplishment. Ripping Hatton in half isn't great. Beating ODLH at JMW isn't good. Killing Ndou(21 wins, 20 KOs) isn't great. Ooooooookay. Like the hating would stop because he faught those guys you mentioned.

so it's easier to defend fights that never happened than wins he actually got?

there's haters for every fighter. no matter what.

if i'm a fan of a fighter , i'd rather defend his wins than defend him for not fighting guys.