Oscar weighs in on who's the better coach..

[AssasinKing]

DLH used to say that he would wake up in the middle of the night and have Floyd Sr. standing over him telling him to get up it was time to train.

Funny how he is now late for hattons training sessions ^_^ lol

I really dont know who is better but both are really great coaches

[Hitman Hodgson]

How many world champions has Floys Snr actually trained? (Serious question)

[kadafee]

considering that floyd sr was actually a top level champion boxer and freddy roach is just a bum I'd say Floyd sr knows far more of the nuances of boxing and is a better trainer.

What a ridiculously ****** thing to say, i guess by your standard Buddy McGirt is the better trainer than both? you know since he has actually won championships.

also i guess you dont think much about Manny Steward, Eeddie Futch or Cus D'Amato?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

considering that floyd sr was actually a top level champion boxer and freddy roach is just a bum I'd say Floyd sr knows far more of the nuances of boxing and is a better trainer.

That doesn't mean you are a great trainer though. Look at Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, all great players but terrible coaches.

I think roach is a good trainer and I think his strength comes with the bond he developes with his fighters. I think Sr.'s strength is his discipline and technical work he does with his fighters.

I'm a trainer myself and I have to say, I'm a much better trainer than I was an amateur boxer....lol.

[kadafee]

That doesn't mean you are a great trainer though. Look at Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, all great players but terrible coaches.

I think roach is a good trainer and I think his strength comes with the bond he developes with his fighters. I think Sr.'s strength is his discipline and technical work he does with his fighters.

I'm a trainer myself and I have to say, I'm a much better trainer than I was an amateur boxer....lol.

You dont have to go to Basketball to prove your point, just look at Willie Pep, he ****** as a trainer, or look at Buddy Mcgirt, great fighter but not so great trainer.

I too wasn't a very good amateur and i train fighters now, i can teach them not to make the mistakes i have made.

[Benny Leonard]

that's pure bull**** alot of people say "oh arlovski was dominating fedor until the knockout" PLEASE!! the fight only lasted like a minute prior to the knockout that's like the same people that say Zab Judah was dominating Tszyu prior to the KTFO. What a joke arlovski didn't land **** of consequence on fedor and just because he backed him up once to the ropes with some missed punches doesn't mean **** the result is still brutal fedor KTFO him easily.

Not "dominating" but winning and controlling it better than Fedor.




Arlovski's big mistake was getting to greedy in thinking he could end the fight right there and then when he saw Fedor get knocked back into the ropes. He should have stuck to what he was doing, but he didn't and that's his fault.

Fedor is also a sloppy hand-striker compared.

For Tszyu: he lost the first round clearly but Kostya started to take better control of the second. He was able to capitalize on Judah's mistake of dropping his hands and pulling back.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

You dont have to go to Basketball to prove your point, just look at Willie Pep, he ****** as a trainer, or look at Buddy Mcgirt, great fighter but not so great trainer.

I too wasn't a very good amateur and i train fighters now, i can teach them not to make the mistakes i have made.

Absolutely, even though I wouldn't be so tough on Buddy McGirt though. I know him personally and think he's a good trainer, I just think he's had some bad luck and focused too much on his son at times.

The thing with boxing is, one great talent can make you look great, one bad one can make you look just as bad.

When I see Hattons old trainer I don't think he's anywhere on the level Floyd Sr. is but he had a freight train at 140 lbs for so long it was easy to look like you knew what you were doing.

I do think Hatton is learning more and more with Floyd Sr. because he brings a different style to Hatton he has never experienced. The same when he improved DLH as well.

[Benny Leonard]

Roach and Pac has a special bond ......dont think Pac would be a good example.................Joy mayweather seems to like the spotlight a little too much for my taste..........but no denying the man has talent....but no way is he better than Roach...........who did JOY trained.dont answer pbf........LOL

Dawson when he beat Adamek.




I don't think Dawson has looked that good since leaving Sr.


I've also heard he helped Roger when he was younger.

The Foundation of the fighter is vital which is why he gets credit for Jr.

Roach is probably much easier to work with which can turn off future clients for Sr. but it doesn't mean Freddie is the better Teacher.


If we take ONE student that has the physical ability of a future Champion, that is willing to give his all and listen and need someone to build him from the ground up, I would give him to Sr. instead of Roach. But I like Roach as well. Both have things I disagree with.

[La_Vibora]

Floyd Sr. seems the better coach/trainer in knowing the "art" of boxing. Or in other words, he is the better "Teacher." He could mold someone from the ground up and make his student a better fighter than Roach if he had the same student.
But, Floyd might be a real strict ******* in doing things his way...but, if it works to build Champions...stay the course. He may have been better off in the Olden Days.


Roach seem very likeable which can help a fighter emotionally but technically, I don't think he is better than Sr. Sr. seems like that hard-headed Father that will plan out your day and tell you when to **** by breaking you down and building you up to be the machine he wants; and if you can handle that, your're Gold. Although it seems he maybe have calmed down with age a bit.



I would say Sr. may be closer to Larry Brown {NBA}

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Ha! Benny I was just thinking the same thing in regards to the Larry Brown reference. I guess Roach would be like Mike D'Antoni and Floyd would be Larry Brown. Two very good coaches with different attitudes and approaches to the sport. The style/mental makeup of the fighter also depends on which trainer would be best. For instance I would bring Mike Tyson to Roach, whereas Ali would be the fighter I would bring to Floyd just as an example.