Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations: Down To The Wire

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He didn't fight the best when he was active, and he wouldn't have had any drawing power without De La Hoya or Hatton. Mayweather has absolutely no ground to stand on in terms of negotiations. He should go down to JMM's weight, as he's the current champ and an active fighter.

nah, floyd can dictate some of the terms, but jmm has some say especially as it pertains to the catchweight.

Pac would actually pose a challenge for anyone from 140-147. Mayweather absolutely refuses to fight the best at 147, but claims to have been a real champion in that weight class. Cotto and Mosley aren't turning down anyone who poses a threat to 147.

P.S. Don't give me "Paul Williams" junk, as that man will never fight at 147 again.

so pac poses a threat from 140-147, but jmm who took pac to the brink but lost 2x isn't?

You are an idiot. Cotto is probably THE example of an A+ fighter today. He didn't gas out against Margarito, he was "plastered" out of the fight after boxing Tony's face off for 7 rounds. When a piece of concrete comes in contact with a rib or a nose, it makes it very hard to maintain proper breathing.

Face it, Margarito cheated his way to that victory.

Cotto would have the ability to not only out-box Floyd, as he did Mosley, but he would pummel him slowly and methodically. He's going to be one of the best 147 pound fighters of all-time when all is said and done.

Mayweather will never be considered as such, except by those who want to have his children, because he refuses to fight the best from said division.

He's not even a legit p4p great, because he took mostly alphabet titles from guys smaller than himself. De La Hoya? Should have retired years before that fight, and he still almost got Mayweather. Hatton would have gotten him if the ref would have let them fight in a clinch for longer than 3 seconds.

cotto is an A to A- fighter. my only criticism is his lack of stamina and gameplan.

Cotto is not A+ fighter!! PPL have lost there damn minds, hes good, but when you let the slowest WW in the last 10 years hit you with 3 uppercuts in a row...YOU NEED TO FIX SOMETHING!!!

Now I want to see this Mayweather-Marqeuz fight, get this fight done

yeah... margo is slower than molasses... I dunno why cotto didn't win and was forced to quit and become margo's girlfriend.

[strugler]

yeah... margo is slower than molasses... I dunno why cotto didn't win and was forced to quit and become margo's girlfriend.[/QUOTE]

Which is an interpretation/speculation/non factual.............

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you must've forgot that SRL only made that fight w/ Haggler once he saw that Haggler was slowing down.

SRL was as opportunistic as floyd is.

imo, he wasn't. leonard come out of retirement for 3 years to fight at a higher weight he wasn't accustomed to. even if he had slowed down, hagler was the dominant champ, and he took that fight without any tuneups so... what's that hard part about fighting a slowed down marquez at 144?

floyd would demolish that guy at 140, there's no need to dumb down his achievement by fighting him at 147. leonard didn't fight hagler out of his weight, he went to HIS class and defeated him there. floyd took half his layoff and wants to make the fight at his own weight... not even at 144

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You are an idiot. Cotto is probably THE example of an A+ fighter today. He didn't gas out against Margarito, he was "plastered" out of the fight after boxing Tony's face off for 7 rounds. When a piece of concrete comes in contact with a rib or a nose, it makes it very hard to maintain proper breathing.

Face it, Margarito cheated his way to that victory.

Cotto would have the ability to not only out-box Floyd, as he did Mosley, but he would pummel him slowly and methodically. He's going to be one of the best 147 pound fighters of all-time when all is said and done.

Mayweather will never be considered as such, except by those who want to have his children, because he refuses to fight the best from said division.

He's not even a legit p4p great, because he took mostly alphabet titles from guys smaller than himself. De La Hoya? Should have retired years before that fight, and he still almost got Mayweather. Hatton would have gotten him if the ref would have let them fight in a clinch for longer than 3 seconds.

Ok, so now I am an idiot but your saying Cotto is an A+ fighter but couldn't even beat a fighter that is clearly not an A+ fighter so how can Cotto be an A+ fighter when he couldn't beat Margarito who is NOT an A+ fighter? If he was indeed an A+ fighter Margarito would have been a walk in the park. If Cotto is an A+ fighter what does that make Paul Williams and Shane Mosley? Oh here we go again with the plaster excuse. My thing is if Cotto was so much better, how come he had to get hit so much? & how come he couldn't figure out that his punches was having lil to no effect to Margarito's head and use is supposedly A+ skills to get to Margarito's body?

Cotto showed his flaws in that fight & proved once you take his punch
away and apply some pressure that guy is on his bike. He fought
Margarito's fight. I'm not talking about the could be plaster, I'm
talking about how he fought and his game plan. The plaster is just
an excuse for you guys to give Cotto a pass. His strategy in that
fight was poor and not the style that could beat Margarito. For you
to say Cotto would out box Floyd Mayweather Jr shows 2 things 1.
You just started watching boxing or 2. You just don't like Mayweather.

Cotto displays lil to NO defense and gets hit flush, wobble and hurt
in all of his big fights against guys that are not Gomez and Jennings, am
I wrong? There's NO WAY IN HELL that Cotto would out box Floyd. How could he out box a ring technician with NO defense? De La Hoya had every advantage and still lost and Hatton wanted it and got it. Ain't like Hatton said "Lets go to 140" he thought he could take Floyd and got knocked out. Here we go with the ref excuse.

[buckdacious]

PPL shouldnt argue with Grustler. Dude knows what hes talking about, and breaks **** down. you guys take beatings from Grustler!!! HAHAHA

[EL ANIMAL]

i'll believe it when i see it!!

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imo, he wasn't. leonard come out of retirement for 3 years to fight at a higher weight he wasn't accustomed to. even if he had slowed down, hagler was the dominant champ, and he took that fight without any tuneups so... what's that hard part about fighting a slowed down marquez at 144?

floyd would demolish that guy at 140, there's no need to dumb down his achievement by fighting him at 147. leonard didn't fight hagler out of his weight, he went to HIS class and defeated him there. floyd took half his layoff and wants to make the fight at his own weight... not even at 144

Sugar Ray Leonard had stated himself that he invited Marvin Hagler
to his restaurant, got him drunk, talked about boxing and had Hagler
expose his weaknesses, then Leonard came out of retirement and
challenged Hagler.

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Why throw out a name like Cotto? People are acting like Floyd isn't coming off a long layoff

Yall are acting scared ! If May is so great he ought to stomp a mud hole in everybody !

I can see it now, get JMM up to 147 so May has all the advandage, in youth and size , YEAH MAY !!

WHUP him real good and warm up that head he can go on to greater prey !! How bout Gerry Penalosa ????? Gerry comes in at 122 but May will make him bigger , get him to 135 , May will probalbly come in at say 148 to make it fair to himself , can't tarnish the image you know, got to keep the nice "0" !! Oh my and then the fight of the year, Legendary Eric Morales , Get him out of retirement for the fight of the YEAR !!! Money Mouth May can have serious talks with HBO, Golden Boy, make millions of dollars. Lets see , this will be his toughest test to date so we need to make sure Eric comes in at the fairest possible weight, of say like 142 to make it even, May comes in at 152 ! Yeah for the hero of many who love CUR DAWGS !!!!!!!!!!!

Ya'll are in a trap and can't get out, have fun, cause if May will stay, one day he will meet somebody his size, that is fast , that can punch and make that chicken dung run run run and might jump the ring while he is running, yall can pat him on the back as he comes by running from da ring and tell him how proud yall are of him cause he's sooooooooooooooo FAST !

May needs to fight Welterweights !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How bout Paul Williams ???? how bout Mosley ??????? how bout Cotto ?????????? how bout Welters????? Chicken**** wants to fight somebody he can whup thats why, so pick on the little boys, like bullys do at school because in the final analysis of things he is chicken at heart.

One guy told me three decades ago about a bulldog , he said he was game, I said how do you know, he said just look at him,

You figure it out,

Dr. BoKacky the Medicine Mang

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imo, he wasn't. leonard come out of retirement for 3 years to fight at a higher weight he wasn't accustomed to. even if he had slowed down, hagler was the dominant champ, and he took that fight without any tuneups so...

SRL wouldn't have made that fight if he didn't see that hagler slowed down.

what's that hard part about fighting a slowed down marquez at 144?

its a tune-up / set-up fight for pac.

floyd would demolish that guy at 140, there's no need to dumb down his achievement by fighting him at 147. leonard didn't fight hagler out of his weight, he went to HIS class and defeated him there. floyd took half his layoff and wants to make the fight at his own weight... not even at 144

you got the metaphor mixed up... put jmm in SRL's shoes and floyd in hagler's shoes.

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Sugar Ray Leonard had stated himself that he invited Marvin Hagler
to his restaurant, got him drunk, talked about boxing and had Hagler
expose his weaknesses, then Leonard came out of retirement and
challenged Hagler.

came out after THREE years of retirement, challenged and beat him at HIS weight. no matter what hagler said while he was drunk, that's one hell of an achievement worthy of ATG status. tell me what has floyd done close to that. beat old de la hoya by split decision? he's done nothing close to that

besides, most hall of fame trainers discover weaknesses in boxers. they iron them out in their boxers and exposes them in opponents. that's their job, and it can be done with or without alcohol on the opponent