Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations: Down To The Wire

[MaFu MoFo]

yeah, but you aren't calling cotto and mosley ******* or jokes...

I don't see where is the news of them negotiating a fight with PAC. They spoke of their interest, specially SSM, cause he needs the money. But if any of them come out wanting to fight PAC at 147lbs, I will critizy it the same way I critizy PBF for wanting to fight JMM at 147lbs. SIMPLE.

Anyway, at least Cotto is facing real WWs at their primes and not hiding in retirement as PBF.

[Pullcounter]

if floyd wants a tune he have a lot of fighters at 147. but not a LW

who do you want floyd to fight? jennings @ 147or JMM @ 140?

i gave all respect to penalosa and u can see it in a few threads about the juanma-penalosa fight. my point was to grustler saying that bruseles was trained by evangelista. so penalosa was trained by pac's trainer (roach) and still got a beat. btw penalosa is a great fighter and i give more respect to him than to mayweather.

aight.. i'll let it slide.

but bruselles was suppose to be a set-up fight for cotto, but arum wasn't having any of that.

I would like to see PBF fight anyone, as long as it is a fair and leveled fight. JMM at 140lbs would be the most interesting and intriguing one. Then again, any real WW at 147lbs would do as fine as JMM at 140lbs.

but jmm is willing to fight at 144? why then does floyd have to go down to 140 if jm is happy to fight at 144?

cotto received the beating of a lifetime. to make matters even worse, there's a possibility that he got hit by 280 plastered punches

what did mayweather suffered? a layoff?

yeah, but jmm is much more skilled than jenning or margarito.

yeah, floyd is coming off a layoff and he has to fight jmm at a catchweight.... I'm not saying that makes it fair, but if jmm wants to fight then why should you stop him?

sugar ray leonard came from a layoff twice as long as his and fought at a higher weight the undisputed champ and beat him... isn't floyd better than leonard? didn't he claim to be the BEST OF ALL TIME? what's up with him, can't he back up his word and fight while risking just a bit? all the ATG's have done it until the end of their careers, so why doesn't he, since he claims to be better than everyone else that has done what he doesn't dare to do?

you must've forgot that SRL only made that fight w/ Haggler once he saw that Haggler was slowing down.

SRL was as opportunistic as floyd is.

[Ishy Aytan]

I don't see where is the news of them negotiating a fight with PAC. They spoke of their interest, specially SSM, cause he needs the money. But if any of them come out wanting to fight PAC at 147lbs, I will critizy it the same way I critizy PBF for wanting to fight JMM at 147lbs. SIMPLE.

Anyway, at least Cotto is facing real WWs at their primes and not hiding in retirement as PBF.

Its a tune up for **** sake....... Mosley, Cotto, Clottey ent available.

If he fights Pac and Cotto after Marquez, i'm happy.

[Pullcounter]

I don't see where is the news of them negotiating a fight with PAC. They spoke of their interest, specially SSM, cause he needs the money. But if any of them come out wanting to fight PAC at 147lbs, I will critizy it the same way I critizy PBF for wanting to fight JMM at 147lbs. SIMPLE.

some how I doubt that...

Anyway, at least Cotto is facing real WWs at their primes and not hiding in retirement as PBF.

yeah, jenning is in his prime and is a WW but he wasn't much of a challenge.

[Brassangel]

He didn't fight the best when he was active, and he wouldn't have had any drawing power without De La Hoya or Hatton. Mayweather has absolutely no ground to stand on in terms of negotiations. He should go down to JMM's weight, as he's the current champ and an active fighter.

[GRUSTLER]

until then cotto is facing better opposition than floyd in his last 3 fights.

cotto is facing clottey a WW against a WW
floyd might be facing JMM a WW against a LW LMAO

bruseles is a B- class fighter at best. that's the best fighter u can use to compare?? we can use Baldomir, a shot gatti?? ur making it worse for mayweather's defense.

isn't penalosa train by roach?? he just got a beat for 9rds

I'm not defending Mayweather. I am just telling people why I think
Miguel Cotto is not that great of a fighter and can't beat Floyd.
The facts I posted are true right? Cotto helped Bruseles spar for
Floyd. Cotto/Bruseles are child hood friends and Bruseles was trained
by Evangelistas, same as Cotto right? Meaning that his style is not
that far off from Cotto's because as we already know or should
Juan Urango has a similiar style to Cotto because of Evangelista.
With that said I don't see Cotto doing anything different to Floyd
than what he normally does.

Cotto is at the most a B+ fighter, to me Williams and Mosley
showed that they are more elite than Cotto because they made a
supposedly most feared man look like the average over hype bum
fighter he is. I'm not on here to argue about Floyd or anyone else
I just talk from a strategic stand point and to me Cotto is not all
that you guys make him out to be at 147 especially since two elite
guys got past Margarito and Cotto (The supposedly best fighter got
served) Now the excuse is "But the Plaster" could be or could not but
in that fight Cotto couldn't even hurt Margarito at all and ran the whole
fight but you guys would say that he out boxed him for 6/7 rounds until
he gassed out?

Out boxed is what Williams and Shane did to Margarito not Cotto. As
you guys say people make excuse for Floyd I can say the same for
everyone on here. Boxing is a business and hate to break it to you and
it baffles me that you would get mad at a man for handling his business
and looking out for his best interest and not getting mad at a man that
called a guy out of retirement to fight and now is shook to fully commit
and expects the same man he called out to oblige him? Doesn't compute.


You guys make me laugh saying Oscar won that fight, it was competitve
because it was a naturally bigger Oscar with his choice of ring and gloves
and still lost to a lil guy that didn't even weigh 154 on fight night and
Oscar weighed 160 and is 5'11" and still lost? You guys are herbs.
Whatever or whoever Floyd fights and beat you will find something to
discredit him for but don't admit it. PBF might fight Shane in 2010
and now I hear "Oh but Mosley ain't getting no younger" but always
say that floyd is scared of Shane? You guys are funny.

PS
Lil 36 year old Penelosa moving up
against 25 year old bigger Juan Manuel Lopez?
no matter who trained Penelosa he would have
lost that fight.

[Brassangel]

cotto received the beating of a lifetime. to make matters even worse, there's a possibility that he got hit by 280 plastered punches

what did mayweather suffered? a layoff? sugar ray leonard came from a layoff twice as long as his and fought at a higher weight the undisputed champ and beat him... isn't floyd better than leonard? didn't he claim to be the BEST OF ALL TIME? what's up with him, can't he back up his word and fight while risking just a bit? all the ATG's have done it until the end of their careers, so why doesn't he, since he claims to be better than everyone else that has done what he doesn't dare to do?

Bingo!

then why is cotto and mosley trying to fight pac???? are they pathetic jokes too or will they go all the way down to 140???

Pac would actually pose a challenge for anyone from 140-147. Mayweather absolutely refuses to fight the best at 147, but claims to have been a real champion in that weight class. Cotto and Mosley aren't turning down anyone who poses a threat to 147.

P.S. Don't give me "Paul Williams" junk, as that man will never fight at 147 again.

[Brassangel]

I'm not defending Mayweather. I am just telling people why I think
Miguel Cotto is not that great of a fighter and can't beat Floyd.
The facts I posted are true right? Cotto helped Bruseles spar for
Floyd. Cotto/Bruseles are child hood friends and Bruseles was trained
by Evangelistas, same as Cotto right? Meaning that his style is not
that far off from Cotto's because as we already know or should
Juan Urango has a similiar style to Cotto because of Evangelista.
With that said I don't see Cotto doing anything different to Floyd
than what he normally does.

Cotto is at the most a B+ fighter, to me Williams and Mosley
showed that they are more elite than Cotto because they made a
supposedly most feared man look like the average over hype bum
fighter he is. I'm not on here to argue about Floyd or anyone else
I just talk from a strategic stand point and to me Cotto is not all
that you guys make him out to be at 147 especially since two elite
guys got past Margarito and Cotto (The supposedly best fighter got
served) Now the excuse is "But the Plaster" could be or could not but
in that fight Cotto couldn't even hurt Margarito at all and ran the whole
fight but you guys would say that he out boxed him for 6/7 rounds until
he gassed out?

Out boxed is what Williams and Shane did to Margarito not Cotto. As
you guys say people make excuse for Floyd I can say the same for
everyone on here. Boxing is a business and hate to break it to you and
it baffles me that you would get mad at a man for handling his business
and looking out for his best interest and not getting mad at a man that
called a guy out of retirement to fight and now is shook to fully commit
and expects the same man he called out to oblige him? Doesn't compute.


You guys make me laugh saying Oscar won that fight, it was competitve
because it was a naturally bigger Oscar with his choice of ring and gloves
and still lost to a lil guy that didn't even weigh 154 on fight night and
Oscar weighed 160 and is 5'11" and still lost? You guys are herbs.
Whatever or whoever Floyd fights and beat you will find something to
discredit him for but don't admit it. PBF might fight Shane in 2010
and now I hear "Oh but Mosley ain't getting no younger" but always
say that floyd is scared of Shane? You guys are funny.

PS
Lil 36 year old Penelosa moving up
against 25 year old bigger Juan Manuel Lopez?
no matter who trained Penelosa he would have
lost that fight.

You are an idiot. Cotto is probably THE example of an A+ fighter today. He didn't gas out against Margarito, he was "plastered" out of the fight after boxing Tony's face off for 7 rounds. When a piece of concrete comes in contact with a rib or a nose, it makes it very hard to maintain proper breathing.

Face it, Margarito cheated his way to that victory.

Cotto would have the ability to not only out-box Floyd, as he did Mosley, but he would pummel him slowly and methodically. He's going to be one of the best 147 pound fighters of all-time when all is said and done.

Mayweather will never be considered as such, except by those who want to have his children, because he refuses to fight the best from said division.

He's not even a legit p4p great, because he took mostly alphabet titles from guys smaller than himself. De La Hoya? Should have retired years before that fight, and he still almost got Mayweather. Hatton would have gotten him if the ref would have let them fight in a clinch for longer than 3 seconds.

[buckdacious]

Cotto is not A+ fighter!! PPL have lost there damn minds, hes good, but when you let the slowest WW in the last 10 years hit you with 3 uppercuts in a row...YOU NEED TO FIX SOMETHING!!!

Now I want to see this Mayweather-Marqeuz fight, get this fight done

[MaFu MoFo]

[QUOTE=Pullcounter;5155501]some how I doubt that...

QUOTE]

7 pounds make a difference, that's why we got "divisions".


For one last time, in ONE corner you get a "natural WW" that has made a career from 130lbs. to 154lbs. That his best years were at LW; and even though last time he fought at 140 lbs was in 2005, he fought at that weight for a year or so. That boxer insist in dropping at 145lbs, not a pound less.

IN the OTHER corner we got a boxer with a legendary career as a FW, last 2 fights as a LW... In order to be able to fight, he will be force to fight for the very first time at over 140lbs (10 pounds heavier...).


To ask Maragrito to drop 7 pounds and fight 140lbs. is a joke. The same might go with Cintron, PW, Clottey. But if Berto, Cotto & PBF are asked to do so, they would drop the necessary pounds cause they are suppose to be great athletes. Refusing to fight under 145lbs to fight a natural FW is just straight up "bitchie" at the least.

In my opinion if a WW wants to fight a great FW like JMM, 142lbs would be acceptable and fair. If PBF wasn't such a *****, we could be getting a better match-up for the money.

OK... dude, what else should I say...