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Though oscar win was a controversial one Cotto still beat mosley and had the controversial lost to Margarito. Its Bull**** when you consider others that are in the list. why in the blue H is Chad Dawson in the list then? Paul Williams was there before beating an old Winky Wright. and several other too.
If you dont beat the best you shouldn't be that high in the list, cause any fighter can go up and win a title against a weak champion that got lucky.
i dont care about the other guys like Paul William I'm think he's a nice guy, but Cotto should get the same or more respect than other fighters on the list.Comment
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Go ahead, Cotto wasn't ready and that is a fact.
Here is the article for Floyd:
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...yu-hoya-cotto/
I have posted my thoughts on Cotto-Clottey in other threads. In short, I think Cotto will beat Clottey by decision. Clottey has a chance if he stays on the inside where he fights best, but I can see Cotto outpointing him.Comment
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theres no question cotto should be on boxings top 25 fiters . no question. the man fears no one and will fite anybody. still wann see cotto fite floyd. i got cotto by knockout. let the hating begin.
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However it works it work wrongly. Jones, Tarver , Johnson were the elite in their weight class, but it was a class that was good at the time because there aren't much better competition in that weight. How many fighters have Mosley beaten?
did it help cotto in anyway? I've seen the list and they're too many guys who are undeserving compared to Cotto. I guess if Dawson loses he will be out of the top 25.Comment
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Ratings structure
All these ratings evaluate every day all bouts in the database in chronological sequence. A higher rated boxer should be expected to defeat a lower rated boxer with increasing probability by increasing rating difference.Comment
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Current ("Active") rating
- Every boxer gets a first rating of 0 before his first bout.
- After every bout, the ratings of the two boxers involved are changed depending on the bout's official result (KO, TKO, RTD, UD, PTS, NWS, MD, SD, DQ, TD, DRAW).
- The value of a result varies between v=1 and v=0.
- The clear decision factor varies between cd=1 and cd=0.
- The winner cannot lose points for KO, TKO, RTD, DQ, TD and decisions on points with cd=1
- KO, TKO, RTD are rewarded with full value v=1, cd=1.
- NWS is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=1.
- UD, PTS are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed, clear decision factor cd=1. This is valid, if the score cards are not available.
- DRAW is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=0.
- MD, SD, DQ, TD are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=0.5. This is valid, if the score cards are not available.
- If the score cards are available, the value rewarded is in relation to the rounds boxed, with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more. The clear decision factor is in proportion to rounds boxed and the mean score difference per judge. cd=1 for mean score difference divided by a sixth of rounds boxed greater or equal 1.
- All bouts are regarded to have the same weight independent of titles.
- The winner gets a certain part of the opponent's points and a certain part of the rating difference to the opponent's rating.
- The winner gets at maximum 50 additional points, if his opponent's rating is higher than or equal to a quarter of his own rating. The 50 additional points are reduced by half the rating difference between the winner and the loser. The maximum of 50 points is only awarded, if the defeated opponent has 5 wins at minimum. In other cases the amount is reduced in relation to the number of wins.
- For a DRAW the rating of the higher rated boxer is reduced by some part of the point difference; the rating of the lower rated boxer is enhanced by the same amount of points.
- The full relative point reward is 33%. It is in relation to the pre-bout rating of the defeated opponent.
- . The ratings are decreased for moving up to higher weight divisions by the square of the reciprocal ratio of the weights limits of the divisions--and they are increased by the same factor for moving down the divisions.
- The ratings are equalized between divisions in relation to average points of the boxers ranked #8, #9, #10, #11 and #12 in a division.
- The rating of a boxer is reduced by 0% to 50%, if he didn't box an opponent with a rating of at least 50% to 0% of his own rating points within 18 months.
- The rating of a boxer is reduced by 50% for every time period of inactivity of 18 months.
Formula
If a boxer with a rating of r_a before the fight defeats a boxer b with a rating of r_b before the fight with result of value v and clear decision factor cd, the new ratings new_a and new_b after a fight are, earn_f is 33.3%:
* earn= earn_f * v * ($r_b*cd + (r_b-r_a)/(1+2*cd));
* new_a= r_a + earn;
* new_b= r_b - earn;
Examples
Boxer a KO boxer b, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points. v=1, cd=1
* earn= 0.33 * 1 * (500*1 + (500-1000)/(1+2*1)) = 111
* r_a_new = 1000 + 111 = 1111
* r_b_new = 500 - 111 = 389
Boxer a UD 6 boxer b, scores 59:55 58:56 58:56, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points.
* A 6 rounder is rewarded with value 6/12, v=0.5
* UD is rewarded with cd=1 at maximum
* mean score difference per judge is (4+2+2)/3 = 2.667, which is rewarded in relation to half the rounds boxed with cd= 2.667/3 = 0.89 at maximum
* so cd=0.89
* earn= 0.33 * 0.5 * (500*0.89 + (500-1000)/(1+2*0.89)) = 44
* r_a_new = 1000 + 44 = 1044
* r_b_new = 500 - 44 = 456
Boxer a SD 4 boxer b, scores 39:37 39:37 37:39, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points
* A 4 rounder is rewarded with 4/12, v=0.333
* SD is rewarded with cd=0.5 at maximum
* mean score difference per judge is (2+2-2)/3 = 0.667, which is rewarded in relation to half the rounds boxed 0.667/2 at maximum\
* so cd=0.333
* earn= 0.33 * 0.33 * (500*0.33 + (500-1000)/(1+2*0.33)) = -15
* r_a_new = 1000 - 15 = 985
* r_b_new = 500 + 15 = 515
All Time Ratings
The All Time Rating for a boxer is the sum of annual rank points he gets for his annual ratings:
1. the annual rating ar is the rating at the end of every year the boxer was active
2. annual rank points = 10 * (ar/500)**2
3. annual rank points are limited to 200 points per yearComment
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