Kirkland a Suspect in Another Action, More Drama

[Boxeo_Boricua]

hahahahahahahaha funny ****...but he is an idiot...why when you are on the road to become a boxing legend would you still be messing around with guns and stuff like that...what a moron there goes his career

Completely agree, ****** ass!

[Norman Stone]

I wonder if HBO will do another web episode and rename it "Pen Life: Episode 1"

[FaustoGeraci]

HOw can you be this dumb? I hate this crap, making black people look all bad. Who is this slut girlfriend who isnt even smart enough to stop him from doing it? He's going to be another Ike

Slut girlfriend? If anybody is an embarrassment to the human race it's you. Call a woman that and you have never met her. I bet you'd say that to Kirklands face too. Keyboard warrior. Shut your mouth. This situation is unfortunate. Everybody owns guns. Everyone makes mistakes. God bless him and his family and hopefully he gets his life on track. I'm sure he will. He's very young. You keyboard warriors make me laugh. Keep living your pathetic life.

[915]

maybe kirkland's proublem is he's staying in the same area where he got into a lot of trouble with him it seems like his the type of fighter who needs to move away to get away from the distractions

Well it's too late for that now.

[run_for_your_effing_life]

This whole situation is shady on the feds behalf...They just happen to be staking out a gun show that kirkland was at , they just happen to notice him and that he gave his girl money, they just happen to know he was on probation? Bull****... **** the police racial profiling ass they probably ran every black and Latinos plates at that show. He was wrong for having a burnner but sometimes you got to do what u have to do to protect your loved ones.

[Floyd R]

None of us know the circumstances that lead Kirkland to purchase a firearm. He's an ex-convict that served prison time for armed robbery but he's also an athlete who's starting to get some recognition. Let's not forget that thugs are now targeting professional athletes which has resulted in a few deaths. It's possible he purchased the firearm because he needed to protect himself and his family.

[Ravens Fan]

******est thing I've read all month, and being in BoxingScene...that says alot.

All my constitutional rights are intact

1. I have the freedom of speech/religion. Obviously I can't pubicly talk about my dismay for my president, but guess what...he's my employer/commander-in-chief and there would be consequences. Just like you can't call out your employers on TV and not expect retribution.

2. I own some guns. Some for protection, some for collectors. No one takes that from me. I'm amazed he paid $525 for a damn Glock, no wonder ATF staked that place out.

And we can go on and on, I can vote too...in case you were wondering. So please, never speak about topics unless you know what the heck your talking about. You only make yourself look more ****** than that sentence implies

I would like to say that I am far from expert on the laws that govern the United States military. However, I did spend nine years in the US Army infantry and do have first hand knowledge from events that I witnessed. With that said. I have to ask have you ever read the UCMJ? If you have, it would be very clear to you that military personnel do not live under the same laws that govern US civilians, including felons.

You make it sound so simple that you cannot speak "of dismay" of the President. However, the truth is if your an officer you cant speak "of dismay" of your chain of command all the way down to a Governor of a state. And you can go to jail for violating Article 88 and 89, that I believes governs NCO's, for speaking in "dismay" of your chain of command. But you are right that a felon surely may be fired from his job but I seriously doubt they would be sent to prison for calling their boss an *******. But, it can happen in the military.

Some other points. Under the UCMJ military personnel can be charged with a crime for simply showing up late to work. I have no proof but something tells me not even a felon can be charged with a crime for showing up late.

I could go on and on and one thing is if the military wants to search you room do they need a warrant? Nope, they can do as they please because of the UCMJ. The last time I checked the government still needs probable cause and a warrant to search even a felons home.

I will also touch on the weapons you spoke of. If your in the military you can own weapons. But, for you to imply that the military cannot take them from you, all I can say is that your wrong. How do I know this? I saw it happen and I will explain the situation.

When I was stationed at Ft. Stewart GA.my unit was in the field for an extended period of time. When we got back a soldier had a situation with his wife. Nothing was proven and it may have been all hearsay. But, our chain command knew he had weapons and guess what? With no warrants or no real proof of any infractions our chain command went to the soldiers home and confiscated all his weapons. From guns to hunting knifes no questions asked. Was is it right for them to do it and did it violate his Constitutional rights? I really don't know but what I do know is that it happened. And again law enforcement would need a warrant to do that to a felon.

I could continue but it really would be pointless. And to be honest with you what I said may have been a stretch but you defense was not much more than three sentences long and hardly much of an argument. And whether you understand it or not in many ways your Constitutional rights while your are in the military are diminished even more so than convicted felons. And if you don't understand that I have to wonder if you are even in the military. And if you are in the military you surely have not earned the right to call anyone ****** because you really don't seem to have a clue. Delta 343 Golf Out

[FeFist]

I really don't feel sorry for him. You see this is why I give major props to Bernard Hopkins, he stopped doing ****** **** so he could focus on his boxing career.

I don't think Kirkland would have been all that anyway, he has no defence. He would eventually clash with someone who can box and hit.

[JmH Reborn]

I would like to say that I am far from expert on the laws that govern the United States military. However, I did spend nine years in the US Army infantry and do have first hand knowledge from events that I witnessed. With that said. I have to ask have you ever read the UCMJ? If you have, it would be very clear to you that military personnel do not live under the same laws that govern US civilians, including felons.

You make it sound so simple that you cannot speak "of dismay" of the President. However, the truth is if your an officer you cant speak "of dismay" of your chain of command all the way down to a Governor of a state. And you can go to jail for violating Article 88 and 89, that I believes governs NCO's, for speaking in "dismay" of your chain of command. But you are right that a felon surely may be fired from his job but I seriously doubt they would be sent to prison for calling their boss an *******. But, it can happen in the military.

Some other points. Under the UCMJ military personnel can be charged with a crime for simply showing up late to work. I have no proof but something tells me not even a felon can be charged with a crime for showing up late.

I could go on and on and one thing is if the military wants to search you room do they need a warrant? Nope, they can do as they please because of the UCMJ. The last time I checked the government still needs probable cause and a warrant to search even a felons home.

I will also touch on the weapons you spoke of. If your in the military you can own weapons. But, for you to imply that the military cannot take them from you, all I can say is that your wrong. How do I know this? I saw it happen and I will explain the situation.

When I was stationed at Ft. Stewart GA.my unit was in the field for an extended period of time. When we got back a soldier had a situation with his wife. Nothing was proven and it may have been all hearsay. But, our chain command knew he had weapons and guess what? With no warrants or no real proof of any infractions our chain command went to the soldiers home and confiscated all his weapons. From guns to hunting knifes no questions asked. Was is it right for them to do it and did it violate his Constitutional rights? I really don't know but what I do know is that it happened. And again law enforcement would need a warrant to do that to a felon.

I could continue but it really would be pointless. And to be honest with you what I said may have been a stretch but you defense was not much more than three sentences long and hardly much of an argument. And whether you understand it or not in many ways your Constitutional rights while your are in the military are diminished even more so than convicted felons. And if you don't understand that I have to wonder if you are even in the military. And if you are in the military you surely have not earned the right to call anyone ****** because you really don't seem to have a clue. Delta 343 Golf Out

I have 8 years currently in the USAF. I've done time processing Article 15's and other offenses that range from mild to severe at the JAGs office.

I only gave a few lines because it was pointless to go into detail about an asinine remark that you gave. It's simply ridiculous to even say something of that sort. But in the interest of not having a full argument, here we go...

And no, the military cannot go into your 'personal' home (i.e, outside of the base) and confiscate your belongings. It wouldn't hold up in court. However if the person lives on base housing or dormitories, then your CoC has every right to search with or without cause since it's the property of the US Government and they can do as they please. Just like 1st Sergeants and Commanders can do inspection checks on Privates or Airmans whenever the damn well please.

I'm not sure if the people in your story lived in the base residences, but if they did then that's a wrap. If not then it could be overruled. If a domestic occurence happens on the civilian side, any military member can choose to be tried by civilian court and will most likely be tried in a civvy court. (Art 14 I believe)

As far as 'being late' to work...the only reference to that is Art. 86, AWOL. And that is reserved for true AWOL cases. Being late dude typically does nothing to anyone. However if there is a pattern with an insubordinate who is late among other things, then actions are taken; however Art 86 Court Martialing isn't one of them. Being late is so trivial, max that would happen is an Art. 15, where a the Commander imposes whatever he choose which is typically hard labor or some other BS. Your acting like the military is so draconian.

As far as Articles 88 and/or 89...you ain't going to prison like that. You have rights if your found saying **** you shouldn't. You have rights under the UCMJ. You go before a Court Martial before ANY...ANY court time is put onto you. The first 50 articles of the UCMJ explain the process of a court martial. And then you have all of your appeals your entitled too. It's no different that the civilian side. A panel of your peers if you choose, or a government sanctioned judge. And hey, I've called people in my CoC an *******; it happens...but when you take it pubicly...its alot different...

In any case...the most COMMON uses of UCMJ in daily proceedings are Art. 15 and art 92 (Failure to obey a lawful order)

The rest of it all explains policies and procedures governing judges and NCOs and Company Grade and above officers. I mean...c'mon. At the end of the day, NONE of my rights as a US Citizen are anywhere near imposed. Most of the **** in the UCMJ are rehashes of other laws already in other states. They are input into the UCMJ for the sole purpose of having a governing authority while under DoD.

We can go line by line of the UCMJ, but this is a boxing forum, I just wanted to point out the ridiculousness of your claim. Any you being prior service makes it even more shameful that you would discredit your service in such a way in insinuate that you have less rights. I really don't want to argue. I love the military; its done a great deal for me and my family and I felt the need to interject; with our country in dire needs, there is no need to give out false claims like that, no matter how small a line, in puts a seed of doubt that someone's individuality is all but taken which is surely not the case.

[Ravens Fan]

I have 8 years currently in the USAF. I've done time processing Article 15's and other offenses that range from mild to severe at the JAGs office.

I only gave a few lines because it was pointless to go into detail about an asinine remark that you gave. It's simply ridiculous to even say something of that sort. But in the interest of not having a full argument, here we go...

And no, the military cannot go into your 'personal' home (i.e, outside of the base) and confiscate your belongings. It wouldn't hold up in court. However if the person lives on base housing or dormitories, then your CoC has every right to search with or without cause since it's the property of the US Government and they can do as they please. Just like 1st Sergeants and Commanders can do inspection checks on Privates or Airmans whenever the damn well please.

I'm not sure if the people in your story lived in the base residences, but if they did then that's a wrap. If not then it could be overruled. If a domestic occurence happens on the civilian side, any military member can choose to be tried by civilian court and will most likely be tried in a civvy court. (Art 14 I believe)

As far as 'being late' to work...the only reference to that is Art. 86, AWOL. And that is reserved for true AWOL cases. Being late dude typically does nothing to anyone. However if there is a pattern with an insubordinate who is late among other things, then actions are taken; however Art 86 Court Martialing isn't one of them. Being late is so trivial, max that would happen is an Art. 15, where a the Commander imposes whatever he choose which is typically hard labor or some other BS. Your acting like the military is so draconian.

As far as Articles 88 and/or 89...you ain't going to prison like that. You have rights if your found saying **** you shouldn't. You have rights under the UCMJ. You go before a Court Martial before ANY...ANY court time is put onto you. The first 50 articles of the UCMJ explain the process of a court martial. And then you have all of your appeals your entitled too. It's no different that the civilian side. A panel of your peers if you choose, or a government sanctioned judge. And hey, I've called people in my CoC an *******; it happens...but when you take it pubicly...its alot different...

In any case...the most COMMON uses of UCMJ in daily proceedings are Art. 15 and art 92 (Failure to obey a lawful order)

The rest of it all explains policies and procedures governing judges and NCOs and Company Grade and above officers. I mean...c'mon. At the end of the day, NONE of my rights as a US Citizen are anywhere near imposed. Most of the **** in the UCMJ are rehashes of other laws already in other states. They are input into the UCMJ for the sole purpose of having a governing authority while under DoD.

We can go line by line of the UCMJ, but this is a boxing forum, I just wanted to point out the ridiculousness of your claim. Any you being prior service makes it even more shameful that you would discredit your service in such a way in insinuate that you have less rights. I really don't want to argue. I love the military; its done a great deal for me and my family and I felt the need to interject; with our country in dire needs, there is no need to give out false claims like that, no matter how small a line, in puts a seed of doubt that someone's individuality is all but taken which is surely not the case.

I have no idea what your AFSC happens to be but the fact that you are in the Air Force helps to clarify the situation for me. The differences in most if not all Air Force units as compared to an Army infantry unit are startling and as obvious as night and day. You may ask yourself how would I know this? But than again you may not give a ****. I know because on two occasions during my eight years three months and twenty two days of service in the US Army I was attached to the Air Force. And the differences in the two could lead to vastly different opinions that are simply based on personnel experiences. You see it one way and I see it another. And anyone one that has served in both has an understanding of what I am referring to. Simply put the Air Force treats their personnel differently and with much more respect.

Now, I am going take a step back in time to the MEPS station the day I swore in. My memory is slipping and I cannot recall what rank he was but I do remember that it was a Navy officer that swore us in. To be honest I am paraphrasing because I don't remember his exact words but the situation went something like this. I remember standing there at attention for the first time in my life as this young Naval officer thanked us for being willing to allow our Constitutional rights to be diminished so that we may help to defend those same rights for others. Those were the first words I heard after being sworn in and to be honest it made a lasting impression. I guess I should go find that officer and let him know that he was wrong and and he should not have made such an asinine statement to new recruits because we may have actually believed him.

As far as my interpretation of the UCMJ it was supposed to be a little sarcasm to make a point because I believe some of it borders on the ridiculous. I am sorry you missed that but then again I am no comedian. However, don't get me wrong because I understand why it has to be structured differently and I realize that the military could not survive under civilian law. But, on the flip side of the coin I witnessed outright and flagrant abuses of power by igo driven NCO's as well as officers that cared little about the well being of their soldiers. That was is especially true if they got in their way while moving up the food chain. And why did they do it because they knew they could get away it and they did. But I would like to make myself perfectly clear. This is not an indictment of the entire NCO corp or officers because I served under and with some fine and upstanding NCOs and officers. However, many of the leaders that I encountered in the Army deserved respect only for the rank they wore and it had little to do with the content of their character.

As far as how the weapons situation played out this is it. The weapons were confiscated from a trailer that was off post and there were no arrest or trial. The soldier was perceived as a threat and a company level decision was made to confiscate his weapons. I don't know what was said to the soldier and therefore have no idea what they filled his head with. What I do know is that you said it could not happen and I witnessed it happening because I helped lock the weapons in the company arms room. The fact that there had been a few incidents of suicides around the same time that helped to inflame the situation.

One last point. Obviously you know more about the UCMJ than I would ever care to know and that fact is not lost on me. However, I will like to say that you know nothing about my military service and I really could care less about your personal opinions of me and my service. However, if I was telling nothing but absolute lies I might even agree with you. But, I will ask you this question. How can I be discrediting my service by telling the truth as I see it from my own personal experiences? Because I believe the way I would truly discredit my service would be by lying about it. Because the way I see it even the US Constitution is open to vastly different interpretations based simply on different personal life experiences. With that sad I will guarantee you that your military experience was completely different from mine and whether it is right or wrong lead to a vastly different way of interpreting the same facts. But, feel free to go ahead and pass judgment on me just don't openly pass judgment on the President because unlike a convicted felon you can pay severe repercussions for your words.

In closing I do want to make one point absolutely clear. I am only making and observation from my own experiences and I am not a disgruntled veteran. The fact is I would not have changed anything about my time in the Army and I even re-enlisted for it. Because I loved the infantry and I will never in my life time be any closer to a group of men then the soldiers I served with and it was an absolute honor and privilege to have done so. And I truly hope that I made a difference during my my time as an NCO and in some way had a positive influence of my soldiers lives. However, the fact is that when my oldest son came to me about going into the military, I informed him that he had my blessings to enlist in either the Air Force or the Navy. I also informed him that he would still have my support but I did not want him to enlist in the Army, he chose the Air Force. And my decision was based solely on my own experiences while serving in the US Army.

I apologize for hi******* the boxing forum to go on a rant and by the way JmH Reborn thank you for your service to our country it is much appreciated.