If Mayweather is so small, why not fight JMM at 135-140?

[BattlingNelson]

Not sure what you didn't understand what I wrote.

I said Floyd was a LEGIT WW. It's the others that put on 10+ pounds that call themselves WW that are not. Floyd is fighting in the right division....although if he shows up at 149, he would be two pounds over so he will have to cut two pounds to be a legit WW/147 fighter.

Why have a fighter cut weight and then put it back on while allowing him to be a one or two, maybe three divisions above the weight/division he is supposed to be fighting at?

What is the difference between Floyd showing up at 147-149 by fight time and Pac showing up at 147 for Diaz?

And, who JMM will be fighting at JrWW?



Forget that this is even discussing Floyd....fighters in general. Floyd just seems to be the topic of discussion on these boards about this topic most of the time.

How fighters make the weight is up to them. As long as they follow the rules I'm cool. I some wants to dehydrate that's ok as long as they make the scheduled weight.

So if Floyd is indeed a WW as you say you shouldn't have no problem with him fighting a WW instead of a LW then.

[Ryn0]

Unless youre in camp with him please dont say that, nothing bothers me more than when a poster answers for a fighter. JMM is big up top with skinny legs, reminds me of Vivian Harris, someone who is too big for 140.

I'm making the assumption off the fact that he ballons up to 150 lbs after camp and I've dropped the same about of weights in about the same time but obviously built up less muscle that someone like Marquez. Dropped fat isn't hard, your body has muscle memory and getting your body to a point that it was like 4-5 months before is relatively easily.

[Bhopreign]

I'm making the assumption off the fact that he ballons up to 150 lbs after camp and I've dropped the same about of weights in about the same time but obviously built up less muscle that someone like Marquez. Dropped fat isn't hard, your body has muscle memory and getting your body to a point that it was like 4-5 months before is relatively easily.

Thats fair, but youre two different people also, not trying to nitpick youre a good poster. Floyd's plan wont work anyway because Hatton is beating your boy on the 2nd.

[Ryn0]

Thats fair, but youre two different people also, not trying to nitpick youre a good poster. Floyd's plan wont work anyway because Hatton is beating your boy on the 2nd.

my boy? lol. Pacquiao isn't my boy just because he's in my sig I just love his style and the excitement he brings. I think personally It's a 50/50 fight look at the my post history on Hatton-Pacquiao.

I wouldnt be surprised if Hatton won at all.

[Eaner0919]

These boards aren't proof of anything. How dumb would I sound declaring Valuev as an ATG just because I heard it on these boards?

Vegas odds reflected the belief that both fights were mismatches. Not that you needed Vegas to see that.

or Tye "Big Why" Fields for that matter

[Benny Leonard]

How fighters make the weight is up to them. As long as they follow the rules I'm cool. I some wants to dehydrate that's ok as long as they make the scheduled weight.

So if Floyd is indeed a WW as you say you shouldn't have no problem with him fighting a WW instead of a LW then.

Still not the point. It's not really about divisions since we are talking about the Size of the opponent which then goes into the WEIGHT of the fighter by fight-time since that is when they are fighting each other.

How is Floyd, who weighs in at 149 and although fighting at WW, which is for 147 pound fighters, any different than Pac, who was fighting at lightweight but coming in at 147 pounds by fight-time? Two pounds I guess, right. I think Floyd could lose two pounds and fight at 147 by fight time since he has already while at WW.


How do divisions matter when few are actually fighting in the right division come fight time?

This is why I am interested in same day weigh-ins which can be held very close to fight-time. I did a thread on this.


People are acting like Floyd is Clottey coming in at 170 pounds by fight time. So when you say, JMM is a lightweight (even though now he has moved up to JrWW), it makes it seem like there is a big difference in weight classes even though each fighter is different. We are talking about Floyd, not Clottey even though they are both WW.

If Floyd fought Clottey, you would have say, Floyd at 149, going up against a fighter that comes in at 170. Same division, different weights.

For JMM, who is now going to face JrWW, he will be facing fighters that are more than likely to be 147+ by fight time.


That is also why I said I would rather see Floyd fight a JrWW that comes in at 149 by fight-time. The JMM fight might get a pass since we don't know what he will be coming in at by fight-time while at JrWW.


What Floyd can't hold is the WW title if he isn't willing to face other WW in the division given the current allowance of fighters to do what they do regarding weight decrease and increase. If he wants a title he has to go through those with the titles.

Right now, Floyd is basically a Free Agent doing what he wants. He isn't fighting for a WW title.

[Bhopreign]

Still not the point. It's not really about divisions since we are talking about the Size of the opponent which then goes into the WEIGHT of the fighter by fight-time since that is when they are fighting each other.

How is Floyd, who weighs in at 149 and although fighting at WW, which is for 147 pound fighters, any different than Pac, who was fighting at lightweight but coming in at 147 pounds by fight-time? Two pounds I guess, right. I think Floyd could lose two pounds and fight at 147 by fight time since he has already while at WW.


How do divisions matter when few are actually fighting in the right division come fight time?

This is why I am interested in same day weigh-ins which can be held very close to fight-time. I did a thread on this.


People are acting like Floyd is Clottey coming in at 170 pounds by fight time. So when you say, JMM is a lightweight (even though now he has moved up to JrWW), it makes it seem like there is a big difference in weight classes even though each fighter is different. We are talking about Floyd, not Clottey even though they are both WW.

If Floyd fought Clottey, you would have say, Floyd at 149, going up against a fighter that comes in at 170. Same division, different weights.

For JMM, who is now going to face JrWW, he will be facing fighters that are more than likely to be 147+ by fight time.


That is also why I said I would rather see Floyd fight a JrWW that comes in at 149 by fight-time. The JMM fight might get a pass since we don't know what he will be coming in at by fight-time while at JrWW.


What Floyd can't hold is the WW title if he isn't willing to face other WW in the division given the current allowance of fighters to do what they do regarding weight decrease and increase.

Right now, Floyd is basically a Free Agent doing what he wants. He isn't fighting for a WW title.

We share the same thoughts on this. Its common sense if you ask me.

[Xyei]

Deveel made a thread very similar to this one. It's true. If Floyd fights JMM, it should be at 140 tops. JMM has no business up in the 147 range and didn't quite look himself at 135 as a matter of fact. Floyd needs to give in a bit and move down in weight or fight a WW. Or he can just stay retired.

[Eaner0919]

Who's to say he wont eventually fight the best as you say it, by the way who is the best youre referring to at welterweight. And in your opinion who should Floyd be fighting July 18 if thats the date he will fight.

here's the thing at least for me

if he is indeed coming back and wants a tune up fine no issues. He hasn't fought since Dec 2008 and wants to gauge himself. Nothing wrong with that at all in fact I would much rather have a fine tuned Mayweather fighting big money fights than one who hasn't fought in well over a year

however, if he is indeed going to fight at 147 why fight a 135lb fighter who has only fought twice at that weight? Yes yes you can point to his p4p status but unlike Floyd has maintained his p4p status while moving from 130 135 140 147 JMM just recently started moving up. You have to remember Floyd made his ascent in weight while he was still in the midst of his physical prime while JMM has made his ascent in weight in the latter portions of his physical prime. To me thats a huge difference because while he may look good at 135 in fighting Casa and Diaz whats to say he hasn't hit his physical ceiling?

add to that you are asking a man to fight a fighter at 147 and yes while he doesn't have to fight at 147 its still going to be about 10lbs higher than he has ever fought before.

question has to be asked is where people would rank JMM as a welter? While his skills could carry him through a lot of fights and fighters at some point in time he would have to overcome some signifigant size disadvantages. Mayweather has now become accustomed to being a welterweight....JMM hasn't even ventured to 140 yet

[BattlingNelson]

Still not the point. It's not really about divisions since we are talking about the Size of the opponent which then goes into the WEIGHT of the fighter by fight-time since that is when they are fighting each other.

How is Floyd, who weighs in at 149 and although fighting at WW, which is for 147 pound fighters, any different than Pac, who was fighting at lightweight but coming in at 147 pounds by fight-time? Two pounds I guess, right. I think Floyd could lose two pounds and fight at 147 by fight time since he has already while at WW.


How do divisions matter when few are actually fighting in the right division come fight time?

This is why I am interested in same day weigh-ins which can be held very close to fight-time. I did a thread on this.


People are acting like Floyd is Clottey coming in at 170 pounds by fight time. So when you say, JMM is a lightweight (even though now he has moved up to JrWW), it makes it seem like there is a big difference in weight classes even though each fighter is different. We are talking about Floyd, not Clottey even though they are both WW.

If Floyd fought Clottey, you would have say, Floyd at 149, going up against a fighter that comes in at 170. Same division, different weights.

For JMM, who is now going to face JrWW, he will be facing fighters that are more than likely to be 147+ by fight time.


That is also why I said I would rather see Floyd fight a JrWW that comes in at 149 by fight-time. The JMM fight might get a pass since we don't know what he will be coming in at by fight-time while at JrWW.


What Floyd can't hold is the WW title if he isn't willing to face other WW in the division given the current allowance of fighters to do what they do regarding weight decrease and increase. If he wants a title he has to go through those with the titles.

Right now, Floyd is basically a Free Agent doing what he wants. He isn't fighting for a WW title.

Rules are rules still. I don't think you wanna go back to the pre Kim-Mancini days.

If fighters weigh-in at 147 and then blow up to 170 come fight time (which seems a bit exagerrated) then so be it. The rules isn't perfect but is regarded as safer than same-day weigh-ins. It's up to the fighters to deal with the rules any way they want. So if Floyd can make 130 and blow up to 150 come fight-time so be it. It's his decision.

PS (off-topic): I saw that thread and I don't think we should go back to same day weigh-ins but perhaps a second weigh-in at fight-time could be added which stipulated how much weight a fighter is allowed to gain.