Would Pac be considered a tuneup for Floyd if?

[Kevin Jesus]

That is certainly possible, but would that have had Floyd jumping out of his chair itching to get back in the ring?
Not as much as Pac's performance I think.

Who ever would have beat DLH that night, would have gotten Floyd excited to comeback and fight that person.

[Spray_resistant]

That is certainly possible, but would that have had Floyd jumping out of his chair itching to get back in the ring?
Not as much as Pac's performance I think.

Would it have been less impressive if DLH had stuck it out for the remaining rounds and Pac got a UD after beating up on DLH in the same fashion? I don't think it would be and I think Pac would be perceived the same way he is now if things had happened that way. The story of that fights was not just how dominant Pac was but how DLH doesn't have it anymore. My point is that JMM could have done something similar to what Pac did if in a theoretical DLH/JMM fight DLH didn't quit....or maybe he would have too, in any case he would have looked just as dangerous as Pac does now in my opinion, which would bring Floyd out for another payday like Pac has.

[ThePunchingBag]

I don't think Pac can beat Diaz period. Pac didn't rock Oscar at all, not one time. Oscar was a sitting duck for Pacquiao and still not even like that Pac hurt him. All i can give you is Pacquiao beat DLH up but never hurt him.

If Diaz could be knocked out by JMM than for damn sure Pac can do the same.
As a guy who moved up from 106 lbs against a natural Middleweight, no matter how weight drained you can't expect him to rock Oscar like maybe Mosley or Cotto could. Your last sentence still speaks a lot more than Floyd can take, or give for that matter.

[whirlwind]

I agree with your first statement. If not for Pacquiao's favorable decision in Pac/JMM2 then he would not be as dangerous. If JMM had edged out a win however than we would've gone to Pac/JMM3 most likely. Then again one of the biggest reasons Floyd wanted to come back was because of Pacquiao's display against De La Hoya which frankly shamed his fight against DLH and had a lot of people questioning Floyd's greatness if Pac could do something he couldn't. Also like I mentioned before, Pac and JMM are only equal when fighting each other. Against different opponents they're not the same, mostly because of their different styles. JMM's style somehow finds Manny's chin regularly. Not the case with other fighters. Honestly, I don't think JMM could have rocked Oscar as bad as Pac did.

Exactly. JMM and Pac were the same level when they fight. On other opponents Pac dominated them all while JMM lost to John, almost lost to Barrera, and Diaz ahead on the score card before the ko and some other bum able to disfigured his face. I forgot the name of the guy... Jaca?

[ThePunchingBag]

Would it have been less impressive if DLH had stuck it out for the remaining rounds and Pac got a UD after beating up on DLH in the same fashion? I don't think it would be and I think Pac would be perceived the same way he is now if things had happened that way. The story of that fights was not just how dominant Pac was but how DLH doesn't have it anymore. My point is that JMM could have done something similar to what Pac did if in a theoretical DLH/JMM fight DLH didn't quit....or maybe he would have too, in any case he would have looked just as dangerous as Pac does now in my opinion, which would bring Floyd out for another payday like Pac has.

I'd have a lot more respect for DLH if that had happened, but Manny didn't just dominate, the fact that he made him quit I think got to Floyd the most. I just can't see JMM having the speed or lateral movements that Manny had that night. Without those Manny would've caught a few more of Oscar's shots that perhaps could've affected him in the later rounds. At any rate if theoretically Manny had lost to JMM the second time, I don't think 1. Manny wouldn't be fighting Floyd at all, preferring to stay in the lower weights or waiting for a JMM rematch and 2. Oscar wouldn't have fought JMM, he didn't have the allure of the Mexican Assassin, which to many people's eyes was supposed to redeem DLH in the minds of his *************** Mexican fans.

But of course, that's all theoretical.

[fcastro1]

if marquez won the fight with pac i dont think floyd would come back to fight him because it wont be lucrative enough. pac has the stlyle the following and the resume to make this into a superfight.

[Spray_resistant]

I'd have a lot more respect for DLH if that had happened, but Manny didn't just dominate, the fact that he made him quit I think got to Floyd the most. I just can't see JMM having the speed or lateral movements that Manny had that night. Without those Manny would've caught a few more of Oscar's shots that perhaps could've affected him in the later rounds. At any rate if theoretically Manny had lost to JMM the second time, I don't think 1. Manny would be fighting Floyd at all, preferring to stay in the lower weights or waiting for a JMM rematch and 2. Oscar wouldn't have fought JMM, he didn't have the allure of the Mexican Assassin, which to many people's eyes was supposed to redeem DLH in the minds of his *************** Mexican fans.

But of course, that's all theoretical.

Yes, and that is the entire point of this thread that the perception of who is a dangerous fight for who could and still can be easily changed with 1 or 2 fights.....like I said earlier, if Hatton makes Pac look like a little man who doesn't belong at 140 and Floyd has to rethink his plans, meanwhile JMM beat a credible 140lb fighter, then the perception of who is dangerous for who changes. So does the standard for what or who makes a "super fight", and these perceptions are just theoretical presumptions until they are proven in the ring. The only thing that has been proven in the ring pertaining to the 3 fighters in question is that JMM and Pac are roughly equal when fighting each other.

[ThePunchingBag]

Yes, and that is the entire point of this thread that the perception of who is a dangerous fight for who could and still can be easily changed with 1 or 2 fights.....like I said earlier, if Hatton makes Pac look like a little man who doesn't belong at 140 and Floyd has to rethink his plans, meanwhile JMM beat a credible 140lb fighter, then the perception of who is dangerous for who changes. So does the standard for what or who makes a "super fight", and these perceptions are just theoretical presumptions until they are proven in the ring. The only thing that has been proven in the ring pertaining to the 3 fighters in question is that JMM and Pac are roughly equal when fighting each other.

To tell you the honest truth... Most of the claims made on this forum are theoretical. If just something happened a little differently, like let's say that Margarito's wraps hadn't been checked, would that have changed the outcome of his fight with Mosley? People's perceptions can theoretically change if things happen differently, but that's just the thing. They need to happen. Yes I agree with you, our standards of a super-fight can change based on "if" something else occurs, but that's mostly due to the fact that we largely haven't accepted that styles make fights. No fighter fits all and there is no single measure we can use to determine who would win what. All we can go by is previous performances.

If theoretically JMM did the exact same thing Pac did to Oscar then he would be in Pac's shoes right now, but he is not Pacquiao and never will be, so who can say whether Floyd would find him dangerous enough to come out of retirement for?

[cuzfozzy]

are you kidding ? Pac and Mayweather are the kings of the division
they aint no sparring partner ... lol .. if you know what I mean !!

[whirlwind]

I agree with your first statement. If not for Pacquiao's favorable decision in Pac/JMM2 then he would not be as dangerous. If JMM had edged out a win however than we would've gone to Pac/JMM3 most likely. Then again one of the biggest reasons Floyd wanted to come back was because of Pacquiao's display against De La Hoya which frankly shamed his fight against DLH and had a lot of people questioning Floyd's greatness if Pac could do something he couldn't. Also like I mentioned before, Pac and JMM are only equal when fighting each other. Against different opponents they're not the same, mostly because of their different styles. JMM's style somehow finds Manny's chin regularly. Not the case with other fighters. Honestly, I don't think JMM could have rocked Oscar as bad as Pac did.

Exactly. JMM and Pac were the same level when they fight. On other opponents Pac dominated them all while JMM lost John, almost lost to Barrera, and Diaz ahead in the score card before and some other bum able to disfigured his face. I forgot the name of the guy... Jaca?