Would Pac be considered a tuneup for Floyd if?

[DLT]

I've been thinking about this...why the hell do people see Pacquiao so different from JMM? the fight was to close for that BS

If JMM is a tune-up or an easy fight then the same can be applied for Pacquiao.
And yes, styles make fights but in that case JMM's technical style is way better than Pacquiaos quick/agressiveness style for Floyd.
How you knock someone down, what? 4 times? and get a draw?
and if one judge really did mess up on the scorecards, still if that judge got it right, the fight was way too close for someone who knocked down their opponent 4 times.

If any of those 2 are tune-ups I'd say it's Pacquiao, that's why i rather Mayweather fight Cotto after JMM because Pacquiao is way easier pickings than JMM.
Marquez is better than Pacquiao.

I disagree. Not with your overall point on who's better between Pac & JMM because that can be debated all day. As a Floyd fan, I think Pac is the much harder matchup for Floyd. I think there are only 2 ways to beat Floyd. 1 is to be much bigger to the point where Floyd cant do anything but pot shot and run. The other is to be a Southpaw and just catch him. The reason I dont think JMM has a chance is because I dont think that nearly any righty in history let alone guys fighting right now could hit Floyd clean. Im 100% dead serious about that. I think he has mastered his D and in his prime he will be hard for anyone near his size to beat him because they wont land clean punches. A righty is just not going to hit this guy clean. Its hard enough for them to do it once, let alone enough to win a fight.

Pac "possibly" could catch Floyd clean with that Southpaw stuff. Ive always felt that Southpaws have huge advantages in boxing. Now with all that being said, if there is 1 righty in history who could maybe hit a prime Floyd clean it would be JMM because he throws his shots straight down the pipe with pure percision. You just dont see that. Still, I cant see it. Thats why I think that one of the HBO Commentators will say during the fight that weight aside, JMM still had no chance because he cant even land a clean shot of Floyd and that Floyd has outclassed him more then the weight itself

[Spray_resistant]

To answer the question in the title.. No. Pacquaio is too dangerous for Floyd as a tune-up. Pac has fought at 147 before (albeit against a Drained DLH) so he knows how it feels to be at that weight in terms of power and speed. JMM hasn't fought at 147 so he'd be at a disadvantage. I'd also have to argue that JMM and Pac are only comparatively equal when fighting each other. When matched against different opponents things aren't as equal, for example Pac-Barrera and JMM-Barrera.

I don't think Marquez should be considered a tune up for Floyd but if he really is fighting Manny after him than that is most likely what he and his camp will see it as. It's not that Manny is much better than JMM ,just that it really sucks being P4P#2 when Floyd's next fight would be against the P4P#1.

If the decision had gone the other way in Pac/JMM2, Pac probably never would have fought DLH maybe JMM would have and would have most likely beaten the DLH that came in the ring that night. If things went that way which they very well could have, Pac would not be perceived as much of a danger to Floyd. Also we shouldn't presume anything about how JMM would perform at a higher weight. It is all theoretical until he fights at that weight, and Pac only had 1 fight at that weight against an opponent he had his way with. We don't know if he would be comfortable at higher weights with someone who would put more pressure on him.

[Kevin Jesus]

If the decision had gone the other way in Pac/JMM2, Pac probably never would have fought DLH maybe JMM would have and would have most likely beaten the DLH that came in the ring that night. If things went that way which they very well could have, Pac would not be perceived as much of a danger to Floyd. Also we shouldn't presume anything about how JMM would perform at a higher weight. It is all theoretical until he fights at that weight, and Pac only had 1 fight at that weight against an opponent he had his way with. We don't know if he would be comfortable at higher weights with someone who would put more pressure on him.

That's exactly it. The win over DLH makes Pacquiao an "unstoppable force" and can now "crush Hatton" and "give Floyd troubles". Pre-DLH Pacquiao was given no chance against Hatton and let alone Mayweather.

[Spray_resistant]

That's exactly it. The win over DLH makes Pacquiao an "unstoppable force" and can now "crush Hatton" and "give Floyd troubles". Pre-DLH Pacquiao was given no chance against Hatton and let alone Mayweather.

and if Hatton proves that perhaps Pac is too small to fighter at 140 and up, and JMM at 140 beats someone like Bradley(which he would), then what would be perceived as "the super fight" for Floyd?

[ThePunchingBag]

If the decision had gone the other way in Pac/JMM2, Pac probably never would have fought DLH maybe JMM would have and would have most likely beaten the DLH that came in the ring that night. If things went that way which they very well could have, Pac would not be perceived as much of a danger to Floyd. Also we shouldn't presume anything about how JMM would perform at a higher weight. It is all theoretical until he fights at that weight, and Pac only had 1 fight at that weight against an opponent he had his way with. We don't know if he would be comfortable at higher weights with someone who would put more pressure on him.

I agree with your first statement. If not for Pacquiao's favorable decision in Pac/JMM2 then he would not be as dangerous. If JMM had edged out a win however than we would've gone to Pac/JMM3 most likely. Then again one of the biggest reasons Floyd wanted to come back was because of Pacquiao's display against De La Hoya which frankly shamed his fight against DLH and had a lot of people questioning Floyd's greatness if Pac could do something he couldn't. Also like I mentioned before, Pac and JMM are only equal when fighting each other. Against different opponents they're not the same, mostly because of their different styles. JMM's style somehow finds Manny's chin regularly. Not the case with other fighters. Honestly, I don't think JMM could have rocked Oscar as bad as Pac did.

[Burner]

and if Hatton proves that perhaps Pac is too small to fighter at 140 and up, and JMM at 140 beats someone like Bradley(which he would), then what would be perceived as "the super fight" for Floyd?

JMM or Cotto.

But the fact is the most dangerous and most legacu building fight is Mayweather-Williams


Beat JMM...Pac...Cotto/Mosley/Clottey winner then Williams..Floyds a top 5 ATG.

[Spray_resistant]

I agree with your first statement. If not for Pacquiao's favorable decision in Pac/JMM2 then he would not be as dangerous. If JMM had edged out a win however than we would've gone to Pac/JMM3 most likely. Then again one of the biggest reasons Floyd wanted to come back was because of Pacquiao's display against De La Hoya which frankly shamed his fight against DLH and had a lot of people questioning Floyd's greatness if Pac could do something he couldn't. Also like I mentioned before, Pac and JMM are only equal when fighting each other. Against different opponents they're not the same, mostly because of their different styles. JMM's style somehow finds Manny's chin regularly. Not the case with other fighters. Honestly, I don't think JMM could have rocked Oscar as bad as Pac did.

That is a good point that I didn't address and all of this is of course theoretical, but I find it hard to believe that the Oscar from that night would have beaten the JMM we have seen in the last few fights. Maybe JMM would not stop him, but could have landed enough clean shots per round for a period of 12 round to get the UD, with the little resistance coming from DLH.

[tjadl6386]

I disagree. Not with your overall point on who's better between Pac & JMM because that can be debated all day. As a Floyd fan, I think Pac is the much harder matchup for Floyd. I think there are only 2 ways to beat Floyd. 1 is to be much bigger to the point where Floyd cant do anything but pot shot and run. The other is to be a Southpaw and just catch him. The reason I dont think JMM has a chance is because I dont think that nearly any righty in history let alone guys fighting right now could hit Floyd clean. Im 100% dead serious about that. I think he has mastered his D and in his prime he will be hard for anyone near his size to beat him because they wont land clean punches. A righty is just not going to hit this guy clean. Its hard enough for them to do it once, let alone enough to win a fight.

Pac "possibly" could catch Floyd clean with that Southpaw stuff. Ive always felt that Southpaws have huge advantages in boxing. Now with all that being said, if there is 1 righty in history who could maybe hit a prime Floyd clean it would be JMM because he throws his shots straight down the pipe with pure percision. You just dont see that. Still, I cant see it. Thats why I think that one of the HBO Commentators will say during the fight that weight aside, JMM still had no chance because he cant even land a clean shot of Floyd and that Floyd has outclassed him more then the weight itself

I agree. Initially, as seen with the fight against Judah. Mayweather was actually getting hit and beat to the punch by Zab. Mayweather was able to adjust and Judah was unable to keep up his fast start and got owned.

[ThePunchingBag]

That is a good point that I didn't address and all of this is of course theoretical, but I find it hard to believe that the Oscar from that night would have beaten the JMM we have seen in the last few fights. Maybe JMM would not stop him, but could have landed enough clean shots per round for a period of 12 round to get the UD, with the little resistance coming from DLH.

That is certainly possible, but would that have had Floyd jumping out of his chair itching to get back in the ring?
Not as much as Pac's performance I think.

[Kevin Jesus]

I agree with your first statement. If not for Pacquiao's favorable decision in Pac/JMM2 then he would not be as dangerous. If JMM had edged out a win however than we would've gone to Pac/JMM3 most likely. Then again one of the biggest reasons Floyd wanted to come back was because of Pacquiao's display against De La Hoya which frankly shamed his fight against DLH and had a lot of people questioning Floyd's greatness if Pac could do something he couldn't. Also like I mentioned before, Pac and JMM are only equal when fighting each other. Against different opponents they're not the same, mostly because of their different styles. JMM's style somehow finds Manny's chin regularly. Not the case with other fighters. Honestly, I don't think JMM could have rocked Oscar as bad as Pac did.

I don't think Pac can beat Diaz period. Pac didn't rock Oscar at all, not one time. Oscar was a sitting duck for Pacquiao and still not even like that Pac hurt him. All i can give you is Pacquiao beat DLH up but never hurt him.