This Fight Is Not A Tuneup and Stop Hating!

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Ey...who gives a shyt?

He still the best boxer in the world...and hes still rich...and just him in talks with JMM has the boxing world going nuts.

The guy was trying to tell me that Floyd was the most popular boxer in the world, his ability had nothing to do with the conversation.

And the reason the boxing world is so nuts about this is becasue he may actually fight someone with a pulse for once.

[Bea5T]

do people forget Jmm is number 2 on the p4p list?????

Am i ****ing missing something??

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do people forget Jmm is number 2 on the p4p list?????

Am i ****ing missing something??

Exactly what i have been saying!!!! None of the other fighters floyd has faced have ever been that high on the PFP list except maybe hatton.

[Rope a Dope]

do people forget Jmm is number 2 on the p4p list?????

Am i ****ing missing something??

I never believed in those P4P rankings, but that doesn't mean you can fight at any weight class and much less compete with the best.

[Clint650]

good point. why can't Mayweather have a tune-up fight against a nobody?

because he's sooooooo special he can't give an up and comer a shot, and give his fans a free fightnight on HBO.

i dont know im asking. what's the deal.

[RodBarker]

I'm just pissed off he doesn't seem to be fighting any of the elite welterweights. JMM is a great fighter, so fair enough, but why not fight the elite welterweights? Unless then this JMM fight should be considered a tune-up?

Maybe because he is not really a WW , he only went there to get ODH , he can fight the elite WW and win but I reckon Floyd wants the biggest name and right now thats Pac especially after he whips Hatton , JMM is a step to Pac just as Castillo was a step to Floyd for Hatton only JMM is a live wire not shot like Castillo was , lots of fights are worked out in multiples , I see Pac as Floyds target .

[DLT]

let me show you the diffrence between average floyd and fighters that are actually popular in America.


VS Zab Judah generated 374,000 PPV buys

Vs Gatti 365,000 buys

vs Baldomir 325,000 pay-per-view buys


Oscar Vs mayorga generated 925,000 buys

Taylor-Hopkins II pulled in 410,000 PPV Buys

Tarver-Jones III pulled in 415,000 Buys

Trinidad vs Wright In 2005 pulled in 520,000 buys

Shane Mosely vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000 buys

Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys

Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys

Tarver/Hopkins - 330,000 buys (06/2006)

Mosley/Vargas II - 350,000 buys (07/2006)

Pacquiao-Marquez 400,000 buys

Other than Oscar and maybe Tito none of those other fighters have ever been cosidered very popular in the US. Notice how Floyds PPV numbers finish in the bottom part of this list when he isn't fighting Hatton or Oscar?


Like i said before pretty ***ing average!!!!!

You made my point. Im not ******. I know what the numbers are and it proves my point. You yourself said that the guys Floyd were fighting were bums yet his numbers are just as good if not better then all the other fights when those were 2 super stars fighting eachother. I never said he was Oscar but he's the next best. You also have to remember that those fights happened when Floyd was basicaly a nobody. No one in the mainstream knew him that much at that time and he still put up virtually the same PPV numbers against so called bums as other Super Stars put up in Super fights against eachother. Thats crazy good. Then he set records with Hatton & Oscar. Now what do you think he will do after all that pub and with the mainstream now knowing who he is?

Also, stop keep talking about Hatton like he's above Floyd. He's the man in England but he's nothing in the US. Floyd made that fight. You can give props to Oscar but Floyd was the big man in the Hatton fight. No one knew Hatton in the US. Sure he has the fans but they come from England. Before that fight, if he wouldve had an HBO PPV card, no one wouldve bought it and you know it. Floyd sold that fight in the US, hands down

[!! Shawn]

This is long but a must read! Mayweather fans, stop falling for this bull crap. The haterz have got so bad that they have convinced a ton of Floyd fans that they have to feel bad about this fight. Thats bull crap.

In Floyd's WW fights he would weigh-in at 146 and come into the ring at 148. He even had to pot shot in most of his fights because the guys were so much bigger then him. Meanwhile JMM just KO a very very very good fighter in Diaz who was the best LW in the world and JMM looked physicaly very good in that fight. He's not that far off from Pac in terms of having a good body. JMM then called him out and now there fighting. This is not a tuneup. This is a real fight. By saying that its a tuneup, you will then be taking credit away from Floyd when that shouldnt be the case. Floyd is not Margarito, Williams, Clottey, or Cotto. I cant beleive how people dont care at all about Floyd fighting at 148 while those guys come in the ring between 162-170 pounds and one of them is currently fighting at MW. Margarito just got KO and his fans say that he was weight drained and should move up. Its a joke.

How come its so bad for JMM to move up but no one has a problem with Williams going to fight guys like Pavlik at MW after just fighting Quintana or Mitchell? I dont hear anyone saying anything about that. Infact they say that Williams should fight Pavlik and he's a punk if he doesnt. Are we all forgetting about the Mayweather-Winky Wright proposal? I think people forget alot about the facts. Floyd had just beat Gatti at 140 while Winky had just killed Tito at MW. Floyd wasnt even a big 140 pounder and had only had 3 fights at that weight but not one single person said that Floyd shouldnt fight Winky. They were way way way further apart in size then Floyd-JMM and still everyone said that Floyd should fight Winky. Floyd was a small 140 pounder and wouldve had to jump straight to 154 to fight a guy who had fought at 154 his whole life and just fought at 160. A guy who came into the ring in his last fight at 168 pounds while Floyd was 144 for Gatti. That fight was so fair but Floyd-JMM isnt when Floyd comes in at 148 and JMM at 146? Remember, its not like Floyd is going back to step 1. Floyd has moved up in weight a ton of times also. Tell those WW's that you brag on so much to move up and lets see how they do besides Williams. They wont look the same at all. People make it sound like Floyd is a 160 pound WW in his 1st division picking on little JMM. Get real.

Do you remember what alot of people said when the talks were breaking down? They actually ripped Floyd and blamed him. They called him a punk and said that he was the one that asked for the fight. Now JMM is asking for it but everyone is still ripping Floyd? Even with the size mismatch there were a ton of people saying that you shouldnt count Floyd out because he is a P4P beast. JMM is that same beast but he has no chance? Come on now, you guys are such hypocrites. Floyd fans, dont fall for it. JMM is the real deal. This is not a tuneup. It will only be a tuneup in the sense that Floyd treats everyone like a tuneup. How can you have a tuneup with maybe the best guy in the sport? Even still Floyd is fighting him at a catch weight when he didnt have to at all. Williams was just asking for Calzaghe to fight him all the way at 168 but JMM cant fight little Floyd? Did you guys see that AT&T commercial? Can any other WW look like that? He is a small guy but he's not going to sacrafice his future to appease JMM. For what? It makes no sense. The fact is simple. He's Floyd and whatever side of the fence he's on is the wrong side. He will always be wrong in a ton of fans & medias eyes. They despise him with a passion and he will always be the bad guy. He's a victim of his own talent. People penalyze him because he's talented enough to fight above his natural weight.

When did we hear Floyd ever say that this was a tuneup? The closest thing weve ever heard was a reporter who said they talked to Floyd's friend who told them they wanted a tuneup before Pac and everyone jumps on that. Even now you have half the media saying that JMM is the tuneup and the other half are saying that he was talking about someone else before JMM, not JMM as the tuneup. Floyd in no way will call JMM a tuneup. How can JMM be a tuneup for Pac when alot of people think JMM beat Pac both times and is the P4P #1 guy in the sport? Its getting redicules. Dont get me wrong, I think Floyd kills him but thats only because I think Floyd kills just about everyone in history if he fights at his natural weight. Thats what people are misunderstanding. He's so good that its like he cant fight at his natural weight anymore or people will rip him. Yet when he fights above it then they rip him for pot shotting and running all fight long. Now there saying that Floyd may have a tuneup before JMM. Whats wrong with that? That would be great for boxing. I think he would be trying to make the JMM fight that much bigger. Im just sick of the double standard that people dont even realize that there doing. When you have a shot to fight the 2 best guys in the sport then you dont hesitate on that because it may not be on the table again or guys may lose. You have to jump at it because you can fight the other guys anytime after that

You do realize that Marquez, at the same time Floyd was fighting Baldomir at 147, was fighting Jaca at 125.

This is the same guy that moved up to 130lb to chase Pacman, then again to 135lb to chase pacman. This is the same guy that was outsized by a small lightweight named Juan Diaz.

People can say size doesn't matter all they want, but there comes a point where it does.

135lb is too big for Marquez already, 147 is a joke.

[!! Shawn]

The size difference isn't that big, the mismatch is in the style...reason why I call it a tune up. Ofcourse I'll say it is a good win but really, I see nothing in JMM that could trouble Floyd

Yes, the size difference is that big. Juan Manuel Marquez has a 67 inch reach. Floyd Mayweather has a 72 inch reach. 5 inches in reach is HUGE.

Marquez barely has more reach than Ricky Hatton. This fight is absolutely meaningless with statistical differences like that.

[DLT]

You do realize that Marquez, at the same time Floyd was fighting Baldomir at 147, was fighting Jaca at 125.

This is the same guy that moved up to 130lb to chase Pacman, then again to 135lb to chase pacman. This is the same guy that was outsized by a small lightweight named Juan Diaz.

People can say size doesn't matter all they want, but there comes a point where it does.

135lb is too big for Marquez already, 147 is a joke.

Dude, Ive made that same argument about Floyd a million times and no one listens then. Floyd was at 130 when Oscar was at 154. In this thread I talked about how Floyd was at 140 when Winky was at 160 but everyone was ok with that fight and called Floyd a punk when it didnt happened. Pavlik was fighting guys at 170 when Williams was fighting at WW. Calzaghe was at 175 when Williams was at WW but everyone wants to see those fights. Also, Floyd came in at 148 against Baldy while Baldy came in at 165. That just further proves my point.