What is Floyd's natural weightclass?

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  • El Dominicano
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    #41
    Originally posted by reedickyaluss
    I don't agree... Floyd is 148 on fight night... he could make 140 easier then anybody at welterweight...
    He has buil himself into a WW body but that doesn't make him a WW. Look at Bradley for example, Bradley is a JR WW but a natural LW, if he were to cut down it'd seriously affect him because dude is packin alot of muscle, same goes for Mayweather.

    Reason why I believe Mayweather won't go down to 140 is because he does have interest in facin a WW and he doesn't want to rebuild himself again

    Ya feel me?

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      #42
      Originally posted by El Dominicano
      He has buil himself into a WW body but that doesn't make him a WW. Look at Bradley for example, Bradley is a JR WW but a natural LW, if he were to cut down it'd seriously affect him because dude is packin alot of muscle, same goes for Mayweather.

      Reason why I believe Mayweather won't go down to 140 is because he does have interest in facin a WW and he doesn't want to rebuild himself again

      Ya feel me?
      How is Bradley a lightweight? He as never fought at that weight. + over 50% of his fights he's weighed more than 140 on the scales.

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      • hookoutofhell
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        #43
        floyd is a 140lb fighter thats the weight division he belongs at, looking at his frame, build size and weigh in pics when he was @ 140 he looked healthy and fit. not too sapped or drained and still strong enough. the thing with floyd is that he is so talented that he could probably fight at 147 and beat most of the guys (cotto, clottey, collazo, berto), that doesn't mean that 147 is his weight class.

        a little bit like how toneys natural weight class is 168-175 but hes able to compete at higher weight classes because hes just sa damn good that doesn't mean that HW or CW is his natural weight class.

        i think floyd moved up becase he was fed up of making weight and now fights at a weight that he cn comfortably make without any hassle. his decision to move up in weight was that he wanted to feel more comfortable when making weight, that imo is a sign of a fighter who has the end in sight and is looking for a few more paydays.

        you could make the argument that a fighters weight is what he is most comfortable making but that doesn't convince me. i believe that foyd was RELATIVELY comfortable making 140 and looking at his frame, power and body id say that weight suited him.

        i think its important to remember different fighters have different attitudes to making eight (the common denominator is that they all hate it!!!). take david haye for instance he has had problems making 200lbs for 13/14 fights but he still stuck at it, cotto had problems making weight for 140 5/6 times and he moved up.

        different fighters have different attitudes, those who like to train like haye are likely to keep at a lower weight because they havethe drive and hunger for it. someone like floyd who has been in boxing for a long time and always had to watch his diet and what he eats probably wanted a little bit of slack as he got older and though to himself ' **** it i can beat most guys at 147 so why not go up for a few more fights".

        now as for the JMM bout i think floyd has looked at DLh and though **** that!! im not doing that to my body and to my legacy for another paycheque, thatsw why he wants the fight at 147. the way he sees it they're both natural 140 lb fighters anyway but (and this is important) floyd i think has an easier time moving up the scale than other fighters.

        he has a big frame and like SRL lots of potential for increasing his muscle mass. once floyd gets down to his natural weight which is 135/140 hes very thin with a good sized frame and therefore has room for increasing his muscle mass. someone like hatton is different, hatton has a body type like marvin hagler, once these guys get rid of the fat and get themselves down to fighting shape you can't really add on that muscle without seriously harming their speed.

        anyways the fight with JMM will happen at 145 or floyd stays retired.

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          #44
          Originally posted by FUC_U_PAYME
          Representatives for Floyd Mayweather Jr., who is coming out of retirement but hasn't officially announced it yet, and lightweight champ Juan Manuel Marquez continue to quietly negotiate a fight, which would take place July 18 on HBO PPV in Las Vegas. Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, Marquez's promoter, told ESPN.com that he's working on it, although he didn't provide other details. However, another source with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com that an issue hanging them up is weight. Mayweather, who retired as welterweight champion, is willing to drop to 145 pounds. Marquez, the 135-pound champion, wants Mayweather closer to 140
          on the boxingscene interview w/ marquez, he says he's willing to fight at a catchweight of 143... they both can meet in the middle and make the fight at 144.

          Originally posted by reedickyaluss
          I don't agree... Floyd is 148 on fight night... he could make 140 easier then anybody at welterweight...
          yes, easier than any other welterweight, but he ain't fightin another WW.

          moving down is harder on the body than moving up.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Al Coholic
            How is Bradley a lightweight? He as never fought at that weight. + over 50% of his fights he's weighed more than 140 on the scales.
            Just from watching Bradley, I could tell you he is a natural LW. I remember Bradley talking about going down to LW

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              #46
              Originally posted by Pullcounter
              on the boxingscene interview w/ marquez, he says he's willing to fight at a catchweight of 143... they both can meet in the middle and make the fight at 144.


              yes, easier than any other welterweight, but he ain't fightin another WW.

              moving down is harder on the body than moving up.
              This is true

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                #47
                Originally posted by El Dominicano
                He has buil himself into a WW body but that doesn't make him a WW. Look at Bradley for example, Bradley is a JR WW but a natural LW, if he were to cut down it'd seriously affect him because dude is packin alot of muscle, same goes for Mayweather.

                Reason why I believe Mayweather won't go down to 140 is because he does have interest in facin a WW and he doesn't want to rebuild himself again

                Ya feel me?

                I agree with some of that. I think he is a built up 147lbs. I think he is probably somewhere inbetween 140 and 147. He does not look like a full fledged 147 pounder to me.

                Do you think Cotto looked bigger against Jennings? i thought so.

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                • El Dominicano
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
                  I agree with some of that. I think he is a built up 147lbs. I think he is probably somewhere inbetween 140 and 147. He does not look like a full fledged 147 pounder to me.

                  Do you think Cotto looked bigger against Jennings? i thought so.
                  Berto 160 in his last fight
                  Collazo 155 in his last fight
                  Clottey is 160+ and 170 against Corrales! lmao
                  Margarito and Paul don't need to mention
                  Cotto is 155+ and at one time he was 159
                  Mayweather was 148 in his 1st fight at 154!

                  Just wanted to throw that out there and yeah, Cotto did look bigger then Jennings.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by El Dominicano
                    Berto 160 in his last fight
                    Collazo 155 in his last fight
                    Clottey is 160+ and 170 against Corrales! lmao
                    Margarito and Paul don't need to mention
                    Cotto is 155+ and at one time he was 159
                    Mayweather was 148 in his 1st fight at 154!

                    Just wanted to throw that out there and yeah, Cotto did look bigger then Jennings.
                    That sounds about right to me. Berto is deffo pushing 154/160 and Clottey is about as big as Margarito.

                    When i watched the Cotto vs Jennings fight that is exactly what i was thinking, that Cotto looked more like a 154lbs than 147lbs.

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                    • El Dominicano
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
                      That sounds about right to me. Berto is deffo pushing 154/160 and Clottey is about as big as Margarito.

                      When i watched the Cotto vs Jennings fight that is exactly what i was thinking, that Cotto looked more like a 154lbs than 147lbs.
                      Reason why it kills me when people say Cotto and Mayweather are the same size, Cotto was very weak at 140 while Mayweather was confortable at 130

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